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Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by slaw »

baq wrote: post #576
VimEscapeArtist wrote: post #563

I live in Poland. This headline is misleading. Poland didn't build a top-20 economy. Western Europe and the US built their economy in Poland, because the labor is educated and cheap. There are almost no globally competitive Polish companies. The "growth" is branch offices of German and American corporations taking advantage of engineers who'll work for 40% of Berlin rates. Remove the foreign-owned sector and you're l…

foreign dollars and euros being spent in the country definitely counts as growth no matter how you slice it and regardless whether you like it or not.

It is local resources extracted, not foreign spent.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by a3w »

ivanjermakov wrote: post #591
saddat wrote: post #361

No migrants leave the necessary attention on economy

Except over 2 million Ukranian refugees: https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asy...

He means no brown and/or muslim migrants. The EU border would infamously let in even exchange students when the war heated up in 2022, except for those they did not want for clearly racist reasons.

Strange, that if you are from Norway or Switzerland, you cannot be a migrant anywhere, instead you are always a welcome citizen born afar who did not know it yet.

Racisms and other -isms seem to be a problem, let's hope it gets better, not worse, in Poland and on earth.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by znpy »

pjc50 wrote: post #501
saddat wrote: post #361

No migrants leave the necessary attention on economy

Polish people migrating to the rest of Europe, sending money back, and eventually returning is probably a big part of the success.

If sending money back and then returning was the key, you’d expect more countries have the same success Poland did.

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Post by tty456 »

abigail95 wrote: post #596
VimEscapeArtist wrote: post #563

I live in Poland. This headline is misleading. Poland didn't build a top-20 economy. Western Europe and the US built their economy in Poland, because the labor is educated and cheap. There are almost no globally competitive Polish companies. The "growth" is branch offices of German and American corporations taking advantage of engineers who'll work for 40% of Berlin rates. Remove the foreign-owned sector and you're l…

saying foreign investment is a bad or invalid growth strategy is wild are you one of those anti-trade people where the only real ""growth"" doesn't involve foreigners

It's one thing to say they don't want immigrants taking their jobs. But its a whole other thing to discount foreign investment, giving your people jobs, under your rules...

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by znpy »

mchusma wrote: post #526

This paragraph is really odd: “As oppressive as it was, communism contributed by breaking down old social barriers and opening higher education to factory and farmworkers who had no chance before. A post-Communist boom in higher education means half of young people now have degrees.” It feels like despite overwhelming evidence presented in the own article that communism was bad, they felt they had to say something va…

Yeah in modern media you always have to pander to the left, it’s clownish.

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Post by piva00 »

Zanfa wrote: post #536
PunchyHamster wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is pretty common trend of people complaining about X being bad coz EU but most of the time it turns into one of * It was pretty sensible EU directive implemented badly by national govt * It was pretty sensible EU directive implemented okay but communicated badly * Outright lie about the problem and the scope of it. One example: The people complained that "EU will force them to pay to scrap solar panels" The tru…

> Outright lie about the problem and the scope of it. One of my favorites was “EU is banning juice”, when the definition of juice was being standardized and local producers of fruit-flavored sugar water couldn’t keep selling their beverages as “juice” anymore.

There's the classic "bendy banana law" which British tabloids pushed a lot to paint the EU as an inefficient bureaucracy.

In reality it was a way to harmonise banana grading, no one was forbidden to sell abnormally shaped bananas, it would just be classed lower than the "Extra" class.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by znpy »

dzonga wrote: post #14

before Brexit - a decent number of polish people in the UK doing all types of work. after Brexit - noticed polish engineers didn't want to be in the UK

I’m not polish (but still european) and i wouldn’t go to the uk anymore.

The UK used to be “the dream” when i was a teenager, now it’s the empty shell of what it used to be.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by ponector »

_whiteCaps_ wrote: post #460
ponector wrote: post #422

And yet, their air pollution level during winter months is so bad that local government issues public alerts to encourage people to stay indoors. Every winter there are days when air is in top 10 most polluted areas around the globe.

My Polish coworkers say that's due to the senior citizens stuck in a Soviet occupation mindset, and they're doing things like burning plastic trash to heat their homes. I really enjoyed Warsaw in December, the air seemed fine to me.

Some people are burning trash at home, but the air pollution is mostly due to use of local coal for individual heating. Funny enough, their coal is called Eko-groszek. Eco!

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by jcmontx »

VimEscapeArtist wrote: post #563

I live in Poland. This headline is misleading. Poland didn't build a top-20 economy. Western Europe and the US built their economy in Poland, because the labor is educated and cheap. There are almost no globally competitive Polish companies. The "growth" is branch offices of German and American corporations taking advantage of engineers who'll work for 40% of Berlin rates. Remove the foreign-owned sector and you're l…

FDI is a legit way of increasing an economy's size and health. The fact that Poland created a safe country for foreign investments is great merit.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by kazinator »

jakozaur wrote: post #511
anikan_vader wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Poland was the first country to make a remarkable peaceful transition from a bankrupt, failed Soviet satellite state. In what sense? Czechia is richer per capita. Almost all of the former Soviet satellite states in eastern Europe have had largely peaceful (since 1991) sustained economic growth. The exceptions are exactly those countries which continue to have Russian troops occupying portions, namely Belarus, Ukra…

Poland's first partly free election was on 4 June 1989, preceded by the roundtable negotiations. The protests in Czechoslovakia came later, called the Velvet Revolution, from 17 to 28 November 1989. In June 1990, Czechoslovakia held its first democratic elections, a year after Poland. Poland paved the way for the whole of central and eastern Europe. The Round Table produced the negotiated-exit template that Hungary b…

The protests in Czechoslovakia came earlier, in 1968! The Soviets rolled in the tanks in response.

Poland had a mass solidarity movement rise up in 1980. The USSR didn't decide to send in the military then; they were lucky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_reaction_to_the_Polish_...

There was a lot of unrest in Poland, and general strikes. Martial law was imposed.

If you were an immigrant from Czechslovakia in a refugee camp in Austria at around that time, you'd be learning to speak Polish.

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