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Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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> Not much overlap between students and HN these days, though? That's my biggest fear.

FWIW, I'm a student, so there are at least a few still here. Feel free to ask me any questions (either via email or via replies to this post) and I'll try to answer them.

Ok! How many of your smart friends read HN? and of the ones who don't, what do they read instead?

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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> Not much overlap between students and HN these days, though? That's my biggest fear.

I'm an undergrad student in computer science and I come here regularly. Many of my friends do the same. Of course, that can't be extrapolated to students globally, but students who love what they do are not extinct!

You guys are making me feel better.

Same question for you as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48065589, btw: what do your friends read besides HN?

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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post #272

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But, then, how would Trump’s family and cronies get paid?

Are you earnestly under the impression that Trump does the things he does such that he can be paid later in secret bitcoin transfers? Like is that your actual model? I’m curious

He may be referring to the fact that the Trumps have strong business ties and interests to crypto industry, and as we've seen in the last year this administration is a strong friend of the industry. Money is being made one way or the other and if you don't think so you are completely blind.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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This is actually reassuring. We don't need all your peers! We just need you and whatever smart cohort you're bonded with. It's true that HN looks old - it looked old before you were born, probably - but (a) I have no idea how to change it, and (b) HN is a long bet on plain text. If the smartest young people lose interest in reading, I'm ok with HN dying for that reason. I just don't want it to die for any cheaper rea…

I would like to offer some additional reassurance: I send my friends articles I see on HN that might interest them. A (in my view) very good litmus test is when someone asks where I saw it, because this demonstrates some desire for continual learning. I find that anyone that asks that question seemingly trusts an interface like HN more because of it. My suspicion is that this is probably because at a certain point yo…

You succeeded in reassuring me further—thanks! This little subthread turned interesting, though it's teeming with sample bias of course.

> Long-form YouTube is also something

Yes, we hear that often too. I didn't mention it above because it's not text, but in terms of how people spend time and where they go to learn things, it's a huge alternative.

I wonder sometimes how HN might interface with the videoverse. I can't imagine having video on the site but I can imagine making videos based on HN threads or articles that have appeared here. I just can't imagine me making them!

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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Not much overlap between students and HN these days, though? I’m an extremely rare outlier afaik :) The administration has so far opened with one “Canvas said” and then an hour later one “Canvas is down indefinitely” email noting that they’re aware it’s serious. (Canvas is a glorified wiki for teaching students, with quizzes and such, for those unaware.)

> Not much overlap between students and HN these days, though? That's my biggest fear.

I think its a good fear to have, I feel like many sites dies when the main path of discovering them broke for one reason or another, who knows what the path to discovery of this site is would be for a student today.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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> let classes that normally count for a grade just submit grades as pass-fail. Because what else can you do? Schedule a single exam and that's your grade for that subject? That's how it should work anyway, credits for work during semester (or worse attendance) are not needed to evaluate if someone learned the material, give them an exam and done.

That's just bad outdated practice. It leads to cramming and less remembering than of the demand is for students to do work and show learning and effort throughout the year.

Who is doing the work though, the student, chatgpt or claude?

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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post #492

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And what's your opinion on the em dash?

That it tends to provoke unproductive comments like this one. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments

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Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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1. It should be illegal for any company to pay ransomware attacks. Period. No pay out ever. 2. The penalty for being the attacker should be linked to the system they violated. If you do this to a hospital and someone dies you are life in prison / chair. The minimum sentence should be so painful that it deters the attack. No this will not stop this and companies need to be held accountable for their lack of security i…

> It should be illegal It should be illegal to host insecure services, especially when you're dealing with PII. Breaches keep happening and nobody gives a fuck, because the worst that'll happen is you might lose a handful of customers and buy some "credit monitoring". Incidents like this should be followed by an audit and charges being laid. Send corp officers to jail for negligent security failures. If you can go to…

I have a simpler view on this.

Every service that is online will be hacked eventually, it's only a matter of time.

Time is the most powerful force in the universe.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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post #602

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I'm an undergrad student in computer science and I come here regularly. Many of my friends do the same. Of course, that can't be extrapolated to students globally, but students who love what they do are not extinct!

You guys are making me feel better. Same question for you as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48065589 , btw: what do your friends read besides HN?

HN is kind of the go-to platform. We also have a Discord server where we hang out and talk about stuff that may or may not be software-related. I know some of us are interested in getting accounts on lobste.rs, but we need to find someone to refer us. I keep forgetting to ask one of my professors.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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No, the lawyers are not "incompetent morons", and I highly doubt you have the legal training and domain experience to be qualified to make that assertion. You would be surprised at the number of frivolous lawsuits and seemingly "zero risk" decisions that wind up turning into actual legal risk and legal fees. The legal world is a lot more complicated than you think. I've been in some of these conversations. Quite fran…

The thing is, I don't need that training to recognize that they are failing to contribute to society . This is why I'm saying that it is indeed a dodge. "It's complicated and you don't understand it" isn't an excuse for making the world worse . And yes, it is fully possible for a someone to make that judgement without a large background in law, because it's taking a holistic look at "what was the purpose of this law,…

The world is complicated. Laws like FERPA are written with good intentions, but there are a lot of gray areas open to interpretation, and bad actors will take advantage of those gray areas to bring lawsuits for selfish purposes that universities have to spend money to defend themselves and possibly pay expensive penalties over. So lawyers advise how to follow laws in the most risk-free way.

Blaming lawyers or Instructure for "failing to contribute to society" is both incredibly immature and factually wrong. It's not the 1980's where jokes about "kill all the lawyers" get laughs.

I'm going to be blunt: you seem to have a kind of black-and-white, adolescent understanding of the world where it's split up into good actors and bad actors, and good actors should do what's right (regardless of the law) and bad outcomes are the result of bad actors. But that's not how the world works. Everybody involved can be intelligent and trying to do their best, and we get suboptimal outcomes because this stuff is hard. Writing laws that protect student data while maximizing student convenience are probably never going to get it perfectly right in every situation. But insulting the lawyers or the schools or Instructure as "failing to contribute to society" or insulting the law as "supposedly that stupid" is to deeply misunderstand everything.

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