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Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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I think the better alternative to making engineers "feel uncomfortable opening their door, walking down the street" is for us to collectively ask if the solution isn't to touch more grass and rely less on the technology we've all come to blindly accept as required.

I mean, I hate this QR code shit as much as anyone, but c'mon, we can and should be better - both in how we treat others, and how much we rely on this shit.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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You don't think that some people simply disagree with the idea that this is bad? Or like maybe the CAPTCHA company who put out the post has an agenda here? So you want to go after engineers personally? I wonder what you've done that might warrant harassment? Look at how complicated CAPTCHAs are getting to try to be unsolvable with AI - it's a losing game. This and the WEI proposal are trying to solve a very, very rea…

The crux of the problem is that their solution involves making themselves the gatekeepers of who is and isn't allowed. And that's a power that no one unaccountable organization should wield.

Given how important internet is to modern society, letting any one entity decide who should and should not have access is nearing a human rights issue.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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We do need to abandon the reality where we use the same few companies on a daily basis and get back to what's now hidden the under-the-surface: forums, blogs, personal websites. We need to re-discover the "free" internet we used to have before Facebook and smartphone dystopia happened.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The usual argumentation is "I need to make a living" and "if I didn't build it someone else would have done an even worse job, like this at least I could be an activist on the inside and guide the efforts to make it better".

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I think I'd have to be working at Google to afford a family and/or mortgage!

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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You don't think that some people simply disagree with the idea that this is bad? Or like maybe the CAPTCHA company who put out the post has an agenda here? So you want to go after engineers personally? I wonder what you've done that might warrant harassment? Look at how complicated CAPTCHAs are getting to try to be unsolvable with AI - it's a losing game. This and the WEI proposal are trying to solve a very, very rea…

This case is trivially circumvented with device farms, much like described in the post. What real problem are they trying to solve? AI bots reading content? That’s not something Google want to prevent, it’s part of their business model, this would allow them to easily circumvent it for themselves though.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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AI use is far more prevalent now than then sadly. This kind of scheme is inevitable since compute is not free.

I disagree that this kind of scheme is inevitable. We can "evit" it through thoughtful discussion, foresight, alternative mitigations, and even regulation. Certainly, Google can choose to avoid it. On the other hand, the AI bubble will inevitably burst, since compute is not free. I look forward to post-bubble AI.

“Evit” is “avoid” in English, they have the same root.
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