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Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by kortilla »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #123
pavlov wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 1980s, EU money was flowing to Spain, Portugal and Greece. And people complained about that too. But the result is inarguably positive. Those countries had only recently become democracies after decades of military dictatorships or otherwise unstable third-world style governments. Today they're the most dynamic economies in the EU in many respects, and their democracies are well established and functioning. Th…

I think this is the hidden reason why the American alt-right/far-right/MAGA/techbro types hate the EU with so much apoplectic rage. For all its problems, big-picture-like it actually works to gradually coalesce a huge rich continent with a bigger population than the US into something increasingly more coherent, and if it continues to work it will mean that the Western world now has two heavyweight leaders, not one. F…

Don’t make shit up about people you don’t understand.

>American alt-right/far-right/MAGA/techbro

Bucketing these all together doesn’t even make sense. A “techbro” has completely different reasons to dislike the EU (regulatory regime unfriendly to tech startups) than some MAGA focused on US competitors.

As someone from the tech industry, I’m disappointed in the EU as it falls further and further behind on innovation. I love the EU though and frequently visit it (which is not something a MAGA would do).

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by jakozaur »

The story is longer: Poland was the first country to make a remarkable peaceful transition from a bankrupt, failed Soviet satellite state. The shock therapy, plus NATO and EU aspirations, paved the way.

It is a story of a country that made a lot of the right decisions along the way. Managed to keep consistent high growth, not a pony trick or boom/bust mode.

Poland should be a role model for many other countries.

Recommend a book: https://www.amazon.com/Europes-Growth-Champion-Insights-Econ...

And Noah's blog post: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-polandmalaysia-model

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Post by inglor_cz »

LeonidasXIV wrote: post #203
yeahforsureman wrote: post #170

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Not surprised to see "German" quotation marks in this petty complaint...

Polish people have such a fear of Germans, thinking Germans are constantly scheming to screw Poland over. Whereas most Germans barely know Poland even exists. As someone who has lived in both countries its such a hilarious anxiety.

Germans probably won't attack anyone anymore, that is true.

But Germans making huge mistakes out of misguided idealism is still a problem. And given the size and influence of Germany, the rest of the continent has always to process those mistakes as well.

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Post by PunchyHamster »

MaxPock wrote: post #146

They've done well for themselves for sure . 20 years ago, Poland was sending seasonal workers to the UK to pick tomatoes. Brexit largely won because of anti Eastern Europe immigration

It warms my heart that my country contributed to ejecting Britain, and right before it turned completely to shit.

Not for any particular dislike, I wish that the actual brits actually take back the power from the scum government and fix it, just a sight of relief that their mess could be whole EU mess if Brexit didn't happen

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

gib444 wrote: post #378
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #339

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As A Finn I’d like to see Canada figure out that “oh shit we could be a world superpower with all the smarts and natural resources we have” and start trading culture and goods with Nordic countries. We would rule!

Far north hemisphere, unite? A Canadian-British-Nordic partnership.

Well, the coming AMOC collapse will at least align the climates.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by brabel »

pegasus wrote: post #336
truthaboutpl wrote: post #317

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They did a 180 on their relationship with the EU, which was the context GP was discussing. Maybe not 180 but definitely over 90, let's say, unlocking billions in funds. Funny that you picked the one major issue that didn't see a big adjustment, and completely out of context.

I think the comment was still correct. Very little will change in Hungary with the new government. I think it’s only a matter of time for them to pick a fight with the EU on some different matter given how the EU’s values (considering most of Western Europe) are still far from theirs.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by rembal »

dyauspitr wrote: post #433
weirdmantis69 wrote: post #423

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It’s punching way below where a nation of that size should be with all the zillions of free EU welfare money it gets.

I don't know. I have to admit that things might have been better, we could have been more active in international politics or trade, but we are a sort of low key, and maybe the money and effort is better spent on improving life of citizens. Would I like more Polish footprint in the world? Yeah. Do I prefer clean streets, nice infrastructure and safety? Hell yeah.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by _whiteCaps_ »

ponector wrote: post #422

And yet, their air pollution level during winter months is so bad that local government issues public alerts to encourage people to stay indoors. Every winter there are days when air is in top 10 most polluted areas around the globe.

My Polish coworkers say that's due to the senior citizens stuck in a Soviet occupation mindset, and they're doing things like burning plastic trash to heat their homes.

I really enjoyed Warsaw in December, the air seemed fine to me.

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