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Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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Most graduates aren't really qualified to work anywhere that they couldn't have worked before going to college in the first place.

I used LaTeX as a ugrad, it’s not that hard

you're at the other end of the spectrum; unless you get work in academia this is not an advantange.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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I won't disagree on usability. It has some sharp edges for sure. But > A bright undergrad could build a superior replacement in a few months, even without AI. Is quite naive. Canvas is not at all just a crud app. You can view the code yourself as it's AGPL

What component in particular goes substantially beyond CRUD?

It is a very common error to look at a specialist piece of software, superficially consider the basic data structure it appears to have and think ‘seems simple enough. Basic CRUD app.’

But it’s rarely the case in practice.

In a sibling comment right here for example someone bemoaned the difficulty in Canvas of having two TAs simultaneously grade separate parts of the same assignment. That sounds like something that goes beyond CRUD.

But more importantly any workflow system, which an LMS will be full of, has to handle the always tricky problem of how changes to workflows affect the things that are currently in the workflow. Assignments posted in course X need to be approved by person Y; some assignments are submitted for approval; person Y goes on leave and now the approval needs to be person Z. Not a simple CRUD problem.

These are things that occur to me with only a moment’s consideration of what an LMS system might need to deal with. The actual domain probably has considerable more complexity that I can’t even imagine.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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I used LaTeX as a ugrad, it’s not that hard

you're at the other end of the spectrum; unless you get work in academia this is not an advantange.

I use it to filter recruiters, if they can’t accept (a well typeset) PDF résumé, and insist on Word I know to skip them.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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I'm surprised how few comments there are on this thread. This is probably affecting millions of students at the most stressful time of the year. Incidentally I've always hated Canvas and probably every other LMS provider, but what is particularly amusing about this current outage is that it is occurring at exactly the time when universities are demanding that all professors put all of their materials on Canvas, witho…

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Universities do not care if course materials are accessible. They do care about getting sued. And that is what this furor over accessibility is about. Federal law requires accessibility, and the universities perceive that there are lawyers circling the bloody waters just waiting for the deadlines to pass and start filing lawsuits because they found one PDF on a professor's home page that doesn't pass the requirements.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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The alternative would be that each school develop their own platform for this, which also isn't very good use of their time and money? Edit: No idea why this was down voted so much. I'm not defending Canvas, just wondering what the alternative would be.

> The alternative would be that each school develop their own platform for this I worked at a university which did exactly this, in the UK. It was a bespoke platform which integrated incredibly well with the rest of the systems the university used because it was designed from the ground-up to meet the institution's needs, there were regular user groups involving academics to understand what features needed to be buil…

This sounds like a great opportunity for students to gain hands on experience with real software engineering work as well.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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1. It should be illegal for any company to pay ransomware attacks. Period. No pay out ever. 2. The penalty for being the attacker should be linked to the system they violated. If you do this to a hospital and someone dies you are life in prison / chair. The minimum sentence should be so painful that it deters the attack. No this will not stop this and companies need to be held accountable for their lack of security i…

Shouldn’t we be focusing on making it harder to pay overseas criminals in the first place? /ahem/ crypto platforms facilitating transfers to bad actors /ahem/

I think the cat is entirely out of the bag on that one, I’m afraid.

There are no shortage of coins and no shortage of sketchy exchanges. The platforms do work with LEOs, when asked, but my understanding is that unless the perp was a serious nonce, chasing the transfers themselves is a fools errand.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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I've never used Canvas before, but all the LMSes that I've used allow students to enable emails whenever anything is updated, including when grades are posted. This is off by default because it's often 10+ emails a day, because many teachers post notes once a day, and with 5 classes, that adds up pretty quick. I personally have it enabled because it's pretty manageable with some custom Outlook rules, but setting this…

> setting this up is well beyond the capabilities of most students. Setting up custom email filters is beyond the capabilities of most students? What are they learning? Where will they be qualified to work?

This is a brilliant reply. I shook my head at the original and laughed hard at your perfectly reasonable question.

It reminds me of an old joke my father used to say about jobs with virtually no interview (fast food, etc). He called it "The Mirror Test", as in if you hold a mirror up to the person, does it fog up? If yes, you are hired!

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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> LMS's are also just really complicated pieces of software it's MIT.

But it’s not like MIT gains anything from rolling their own LMS.

I went to a small liberal arts school where the IT department recruited CS students under work study to build the systems. It’s a good learning experience for students to be involved in constructing and maintaining the infrastructure that keeps the university running. I don’t mean this entirely as in cost savings, but because I like the idea of a university being self maintained.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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Shouldn’t we be focusing on making it harder to pay overseas criminals in the first place? /ahem/ crypto platforms facilitating transfers to bad actors /ahem/

But, then, how would Trump’s family and cronies get paid?

Are you earnestly under the impression that Trump does the things he does such that he can be paid later in secret bitcoin transfers?

Like is that your actual model? I’m curious

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