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Nintendo announces price increases for Nintendo Switch 2

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Re: Nintendo announces price increases for Nintendo Switch 2

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I bought a Steam Deck earlier this year and haven’t touched my Switch since. Nintendo hardware and games were already obscenely overpriced imo, so this is essentially a nail in the coffin for folks who were already questioning Nintendo’s prices and value proposition.

Does Nintendo intentionally make its hardware really underpowered and cheap in terms of chips to juice profits? In the past this was more the case, but with the Switch 2 the hardware bill of materials is actually more costly relative to previous products like the Switch 1.

Poor timing of market forces (Sam Altman spending VC money to purchase all the world’s memory chips). Ouch.

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post #97

I’m waiting for a special edition and some games that make the upgrade worthwhile.

Wonder if you could indicate why you're waiting for a Switch 2 vs say a Steam Deck? Or do you also have a deck? I ask because I'm planning to gift one or the other. The recipient already has a Switch 1, so I thought it would be pretty lame to give a Switch 2 rather than "upgrading" to a deck. In my mind, being able to play any steam game, on a device with highly praised controls, is the better upgrade, not the Switch…

Nintendo games are only on the switch. If that's what you want to play, then the Steam deck is a non-starter.

(But if you like the games on Steam, then the Steam deck makes a lot of sense.)

Re: Nintendo announces price increases for Nintendo Switch 2

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post #97

I’m waiting for a special edition and some games that make the upgrade worthwhile.

Wonder if you could indicate why you're waiting for a Switch 2 vs say a Steam Deck? Or do you also have a deck? I ask because I'm planning to gift one or the other. The recipient already has a Switch 1, so I thought it would be pretty lame to give a Switch 2 rather than "upgrading" to a deck. In my mind, being able to play any steam game, on a device with highly praised controls, is the better upgrade, not the Switch…

I bought a switch 2 over a steam deck. I have over a thousand steam games. A few reasons:

Nintendo makes fun games that I want to play. I want to play the new Metroid, the new Pokémon games, Kirby DLC, etc. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I grew up with the original Metroid, and that series sticks with me.

The switch 1 gets a ton of use in my house. Switch 1 games perform so much better on the 2.

The pro controller for the switch 2 is incredible.

Switch 2 is cheaper, significantly cheaper if you play docked. Our family uses it to play docked a lot.

The switch 2 library is large enough that you can play a lot of the same titles you can on the deck. Or at least enough games you'll never run out of fun options. You don't need to have the biggest library to be fun.

I have a powerful PC in my house for when I want to play shooters and 4x games. The switch 2 library gets way more exercise.

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post #97

I’m waiting for a special edition and some games that make the upgrade worthwhile.

DK Bonanza was fun. I just pre-ordered Star Fox: I played the SNES one as a kid a lot, but I never played the N64 one that the Switch 2 one is based on.

The new Mario Kart is also great, and the larger screen is great too. At 45 I don't need to use reading glasses when I use Virtual Console, but on the OLED Switch I usually use reading glasses with Virtual Console.

Re: Nintendo announces price increases for Nintendo Switch 2

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post #45

Switch 1 still has more games than I have time to play, plenty of them around to get.

90% of my playtime on Switch 1 is roguelites and deck-building games. And even many of the Nintendo games I play are highly replayable or almost endless (both Zeldas). I’ve "finished" maybe 3–4 games in the last few years.

Re: Nintendo announces price increases for Nintendo Switch 2

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because something is heavily in demand doesn't mean it's not fraudulent.

Generally speaking, that's incorrect. That's like saying "I don't like cars, and don't see the value in cars, therefore the market for cars is fraudulent". In AI, buyers are getting what they want. The demand is real. YOU might not value what they're getting, but that doesn't make it fraudulent. This is why people misunderstand why AI isn't a bubble. A bubble is asset prices rising due to speculative demand far beyon…

> This is actual, real, shipping physical product: not vapor, not something that will disappear, not something that will "crash" suddenly.

Tulips were real shipping physical products. Railways were real. Housing was real. Whether or not the demand is speculative is largely disconnected from the actual subject of the bubble.

> NVIDIA is legitimately forecasting demand of $1 trillion in their chips+memory by the end of 2027.

Forecasts do not make it so.

> but that is not the majority of demand, inference is 65-80% of demand.

Inference is massively subsidized. The demand is fictitious just because of that. Once prices go up, especially once free or cheap inference dries up, demand will collapse.

But it's not even just the subsidies. AI is forced onto the workplace top-down. Executives demand AI be used before careful evaluation. That's all demand that can collapse at any moment if public opinion sours.

> The world has changed.

It hasn't. For all the claims that AI has made any given job so much easier, developers who claim "It'd have cost me a billion years to do so" (next time bring a counterfactual), the actual economic benefit appears to be a big fat zero. We're right back to the Solow paradox.

Except AI companies are dumping trillions of dollars into this, expecting tens of trillions in return ... from where? Where will these tens of trillions come from if the aggregate economic benefit doesn't exist? Joe Slopman making a dozen CRUD apps a week for half a million in revenue, but there ain't a million of him.

So much of the demand for inference is driven by hype. Companies using AI in the expectation of an ROI that has not materialized, and in many places, is very unlikely to. In no small part because any "efficiency" or "productivity" gains realized by AI immediately drives down the cost of the good or service produced.

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