I run a niche creative community, and we outlawed AI-generated content in 2022 as it was easy to see how corrosive it would be to the community. It hasn't been easy. We ban fake AI accounts daily and shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. It's a lot of work, extra work that wasn't needed before AI content came around, and of course, that is an extra cost. I fear losing the battle.
It realy is time for a Butlerian Jihad
Way back whenever I first read Dune, this seemed like such weird niche ban. I don't think I had a lot of respect for it.
Now, like all good SciFi, it seems fairly prescient ....
High quality anecdata are exactly the reason why I love HN. Thanks for posting about it. > fake AI accounts First, how do you identify them? Is it strictly admins monitoring posts/server-side logs or do users report odd behaviour? Second, what is the purpose of these accounts? Are they basically running submarine adverts, or are they just trolling (to harm the community)?
Eagerness.. you let them work through a endless labyrinth of forms. While the human drops out after the 2nd form- the ai is willing to go all the way always.
Don't you lose really users by making it easy for bots to complete a sign up, but hard for humans?
HN kills lots of posts. I try to be careful about my online footprint (since HN posts are forever), and try to switch to new accounts every so often. It's no use anymore, HN just kills any post I make from a new account, even when I spend 20 minutes researching a response and trying to get useful information. It doesn't even show you the post is killed, it looks to you like it posted fine, and you have to logout to s…
It's specifically against the guidelines to keep registering new accounts, and this is a good reason why. We have to have ways of determining credibility and authenticity, now more than ever, and a track record of good posting is one of the best ways to do that. We are drowning with spam and low-quality posts/projects posted from brand new accounts. If it's a well-researched, high-quality post, of course we want to g…
"I think it's going to effectively kill public chat communities without either proof of identity or attestation through a web of trust." Those sorts of places were always the only places with reliably good communities.
To the contrary, platforms like Facebook and X demonstrate that even personal verification won't save you from identity politics.
I don't know what you mean by "identity politics."
No algorithmic platform can sustain or even encourage genuine human interaction, so FB isn't even on the table here.
I run a niche creative community, and we outlawed AI-generated content in 2022 as it was easy to see how corrosive it would be to the community. It hasn't been easy. We ban fake AI accounts daily and shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. It's a lot of work, extra work that wasn't needed before AI content came around, and of course, that is an extra cost. I fear losing the battle.
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I run a niche creative community, and we outlawed AI-generated content in 2022 as it was easy to see how corrosive it would be to the community. It hasn't been easy. We ban fake AI accounts daily and shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. It's a lot of work, extra work that wasn't needed before AI content came around, and of course, that is an extra cost. I fear losing the battle.
I always find the most difficult is to deal with users who are not actively breaking any rules but are toxic and hurting the conversation. Given your experience, what's your take on handling this?
Or applying for an account could involve sending a handwritten letter by post.
Adding that much friction is also going to loose you many genuine users. Might be worth it depending on the community but if it makes newcomers fewer than your usual churn rate its a death sentence.
I think a better approach would be to upload an image to the sign up form with explicit instructions that isn't in text on the page to be easily read by AI. Like "Answer 2 in the Math captcha" even though the correct answer is 5, the AI will always enter the wrong number.
Isn't the ceo a pdfile and compromised and forced to work at reddit (or go to jail)? Reddit is now just a propaganda machine for the intelligence agencies and their dirty ceo is there to make sure the machine keeps pumping honey...wrecking teenagers brains in the process too, and gathering kompromat on young people which will bear its fruit in the next 20 years. I feel a good chunk of US politicians are being blackma…
I think the real explanation is simpler - it's just not particularly interesting to the authorities. No need for conspiracy theories. As to compromising material for bribery, that can be collected in so many different ways, and things like email or messaging or tiktok videos are probably far more interesting, reddit is not particularly useful for that.
Both reddit and 4chan has hosted csam in the past 25 years or so... yet they continue exist. Their operators don't go to jail (specifically the ceo of reddit was supposedly a moderaton of csam a group). If I want to host anything semi dodgy, I'd be in jail in no time. Everything online (domain rental, dns, hosting, carriers & bgp peering, email, any kind of cloud usage, certificate authorities) can be traced back to real people and real bank accounts. Thus I think these things are allowed to exist as and act as honeypots, and my strong suspicion is that intelligence agencies must be involved somehow. The amount of blackmail material (even something as simple as starting an OF account and submitting your ID and then deleting again = easy blackmail on a young woman who changed her mind) generated daily is worthwhile for all these dark ops. I'm about 30% sure the entire chain of trust (from secureboot to certificate auths to ssl to disk encryption) has been compromised a long time ago and they just don't reveal that they know certain information and always find an indirect way to act on it.