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Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by binaryturtle »

shevy-java wrote: post #518
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about charging $1 or $5 for an account? Seems like you could stem the tide pretty easily with something like that.

This does not work, for similar reasons why captchas piss off real humans. You add a barrier here. You think that your solution means that AI is reduced, but you also reduce real humans. I noticed this with other parts too, such as "you need to verify your identity before you can post to the ruby issue tracker". I can do so, but I need my tablet and this takes me more time than before, so I stopped using the ruby iss…

I can't access gnu.org, because their extreme measurements against the AI bots blocking my slightly older browser.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by ionwake »

Also I’ve noted this odd behaviour imo where if I mention one of my comments is AI - as in “ this is what the AI says about the” because it’s a concise statement to aid the chat - I get severely downvoted. But if I just make my comment basically a human parsed version of the AI comment I get upvotes - with no concern for granularity of source integrity. Which is terrible in two ways.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by nottorp »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #55

I run a niche creative community, and we outlawed AI-generated content in 2022 as it was easy to see how corrosive it would be to the community. It hasn't been easy. We ban fake AI accounts daily and shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. It's a lot of work, extra work that wasn't needed before AI content came around, and of course, that is an extra cost. I fear losing the battle.

Hmm i'm curious how niche.

Or ... how small can a community be and still be drowned in AI slop?

Is it a community inside one of the major platforms, or it has its custom thing?

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by lelanthran »

protocolture wrote: post #366
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #55

I run a niche creative community, and we outlawed AI-generated content in 2022 as it was easy to see how corrosive it would be to the community. It hasn't been easy. We ban fake AI accounts daily and shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. It's a lot of work, extra work that wasn't needed before AI content came around, and of course, that is an extra cost. I fear losing the battle.

>shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. >I fear losing the battle. I was in a small niche creative writing community for a while. Circa 2021\22. AI wasn't why I was there but I demo'd a few LLMs to a lot of the users in the Off Topic section because people were curious. Even with an explanation of how they operated, almost everyone was at least interested. One author told me how he operated similar…

> I just don't think its possible to maintain such artificial rage for more than a few years.

What makes you think the rage is artificial?

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by lelanthran »

protocolture wrote: post #557
crote wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered the possibility that most non-programmer people mostly experienced the negative effects? Blockchain turned out to be an absolutely awful payment method, so most people only know it as 1) a way to do crimes like ransomware, 2) a get-rich-quick scam, 3) some buzzword companies threw in everything , 4) the thing that made GPUs unaffordable. AI is now the thing that 1) is drowning the internet in slop…

>Their opinion about AI or blockchain most likely has absolutely nothing to do with you. Which is why I left before I was banned. I no longer felt comfortable and they probably likewise. They wanted a safe space to hate on people involved in AI art and my leaving contributed to that. That said, I doubt I could have posted content calling for the death of authors or honestly any other group in that space without being…

> They wanted a safe space to hate on people involved in AI art and my leaving contributed to that.

Once again, I have to ask, why do you think that that is what they want? Maybe they want human generated content?

> the zeitgeist switch where suddenly the entire conversation goes from pros/cons to what appears to be a standard, negative message that everyone absorbed in a short time.

Understandable, though. Why discuss the pros and cons of $FOO when you're drowning in it? All you want it to stop the drowning.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by grey-area »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #585
grey-area wrote: post #78

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Did you ever introspect about who ruined Reddit?

Isn't the ceo a pdfile and compromised and forced to work at reddit (or go to jail)? Reddit is now just a propaganda machine for the intelligence agencies and their dirty ceo is there to make sure the machine keeps pumping honey...wrecking teenagers brains in the process too, and gathering kompromat on young people which will bear its fruit in the next 20 years. I feel a good chunk of US politicians are being blackma…

I think the real explanation is simpler - it's just not particularly interesting to the authorities. No need for conspiracy theories.

As to compromising material for bribery, that can be collected in so many different ways, and things like email or messaging or tiktok videos are probably far more interesting, reddit is not particularly useful for that.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by dspillett »

bayindirh wrote: post #589
AdminAccount wrote: post #574

I think the only reason stackoverflow still has any activity is because the community choose to ban AI content [1] and so did most of its other networks [2]. Perhaps it will even see a (small) resurgence when AI providers start charging for the actual costs. [1] https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421831 [2] https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/384922

Considering StackOverflow is now providing a ground truth for AI training, I believe the ban is more about not poisoning the well rather than keeping the StackOverflow or StackExchange human-friendly. That ship has sailed long time ago with zealot admins and verbal harassment.

> That ship has sailed long time ago with zealot admins

Where there are certainly strong examples of this, a lot of people mistake enforcing the rules as zealotry. Part of the point of SO was that if things don't change then there is a completed state for SO too - no need to ask duplicate questions like on platforms where a post is less long-lived. Unfortunately people take things like “this is a dup”, “provide more information as we can't help”, “this isn't a complete answer”, and so forth, as deeply personal attacks…

One of the good things about LLMs is that they've drawn off all the simple already-answered questions! Unfortunately the more complex ones, or the ones for new solutions, are also going there so SO and its family of sites is ceasing to grow even in the ways it wants to.

> and verbal harassment.

Again, that did/does happen, but a lot less than some people report it. The most abusive people I've seen on there are those who have been given one of the responses I listed above.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by GJim »

iammjm wrote: post #537
rgblambda wrote: post #323

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Or applying for an account could involve sending a handwritten letter by post.

This is fucked and I hate it. Internet is (was?) about convenience and direct access. I understand there are challenges that need solutions, but this ain’t it

> Internet is (was?) about convenience and direct access.

Was.

Maybe you are to young to remember the (pre-spam) days when it was polite to leave your SMTP server open for others to use?

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by robotswantdata »

rgblambda wrote: post #323
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about charging $1 or $5 for an account? Seems like you could stem the tide pretty easily with something like that.

Or applying for an account could involve sending a handwritten letter by post.

Slop as a letter is a thing already https://www.axidraw.com/

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by rgblambda »

goodmythical wrote: post #524
rgblambda wrote: post #323

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Or applying for an account could involve sending a handwritten letter by post.

Right, because I cannot possibly purchase a thousand such letters for less than the cost of minimum wage for an hour or two.

Where I live a 2nd class stamp costs the equivalent of $1.24. That's $1240 for a thousand.

Not including the cost of the letter itself, or the envelope, or the cost to write it if it's being farmed out to overseas labour, who then has to send it by international postage. And then you have evidence of where the letter originated, and that can be compared with how the user presents themselves online.

Little bit more than 2 hours minimum wage I think.

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