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Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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>shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. >I fear losing the battle. I was in a small niche creative writing community for a while. Circa 2021\22. AI wasn't why I was there but I demo'd a few LLMs to a lot of the users in the Off Topic section because people were curious. Even with an explanation of how they operated, almost everyone was at least interested. One author told me how he operated similar…

Genuinely dont know how this made at least 3 people angry enough to downvote but not suggest why.

I'm not angry, you just seem to be taking a very self-centered view on the general vibe in this specific forum you mentioned, and are interpreting general anti-AI/blockchain sentiment as personal attacks.

So I downvoted.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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I was on Usenet starting in 1991. Once the Internet got popular with the general public around 1995 things started going downhill. Spam overwhelmed Usenet in the late 1990's and made it almost unusable for general discussion. Stuff started moving to web site forums which I still don't think are as good as a Usenet newsreader. slrn was my favorite. Then reddit came along and a lot of online forums started dying as peo…

The spam was fixed with killfiles and dropping out Google Groups altogether. Now it's like a second golden age for a lot of niche groups.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Then how can you have a community that is welcoming to people who are not part of the ingroup? I want to create a community for immigrants. How would I make it welcoming to recent immigrants for whom no one can vouch? A web of trust is a wonderful tool, but it's exclusive by design. This is a problem for some communities, even though it makes others much better.

> for whom no one can vouch Spot the fed

What are you on about

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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LLMs can curse without issue

Most models would refuse to provide you cat butchering instructions though.

Allow me to introduce you to the gay jailbreak

https://github.com/Exocija/ZetaLib/blob/main/The%20Gay%20Jai...

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

#555

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>shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. >I fear losing the battle. I was in a small niche creative writing community for a while. Circa 2021\22. AI wasn't why I was there but I demo'd a few LLMs to a lot of the users in the Off Topic section because people were curious. Even with an explanation of how they operated, almost everyone was at least interested. One author told me how he operated similar…

This is entirely vibes based on reading research on similar campaigns so I cant pull a paper with hard evidence about this specifically. But I believe chinese/North Korean infowar campaigns are behind these seeded talking points. They seed in these far left activist communities and then once they find one that sticks the real people in these communities start carrying the message out to other communities and then the…

Yeah, that's not it. China is heavily invested in AI and LLMs. Also this sentiment is organic, most people I talk yo about AI are anti-AI.

The exceptions to the anti-AI sentiment are management and people with a vested interest.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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post #327

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Then how can you have a community that is welcoming to people who are not part of the ingroup? I want to create a community for immigrants. How would I make it welcoming to recent immigrants for whom no one can vouch? A web of trust is a wonderful tool, but it's exclusive by design. This is a problem for some communities, even though it makes others much better.

> Then how can you have a community that is welcoming to people who are not part of the ingroup? Being welcoming to every random person is by definition not a community, it's a free-for-all mess. A community means communal interests and values, it's in the name. And to guard those you can't just be accepting everyone without vetoing them. That's how it turns to a shit of spammers and trolls and people who want to hij…

We are trying to make new immigrants feel at home. This is the purpose we gather around.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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post #533

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>shrug off around 600 AI content creator accounts monthly. >I fear losing the battle. I was in a small niche creative writing community for a while. Circa 2021\22. AI wasn't why I was there but I demo'd a few LLMs to a lot of the users in the Off Topic section because people were curious. Even with an explanation of how they operated, almost everyone was at least interested. One author told me how he operated similar…

Have you considered the possibility that most non-programmer people mostly experienced the negative effects? Blockchain turned out to be an absolutely awful payment method, so most people only know it as 1) a way to do crimes like ransomware, 2) a get-rich-quick scam, 3) some buzzword companies threw in everything , 4) the thing that made GPUs unaffordable. AI is now the thing that 1) is drowning the internet in slop…

>Their opinion about AI or blockchain most likely has absolutely nothing to do with you.

Which is why I left before I was banned. I no longer felt comfortable and they probably likewise. They wanted a safe space to hate on people involved in AI art and my leaving contributed to that. That said, I doubt I could have posted content calling for the death of authors or honestly any other group in that space without being ostracised.

Its a bit like saying "A witch might have burned down their house, so their reaction against witches is understandable" maybe in abstract. But that doesn't mean the subsequent actions are acceptable.

> Have you considered the possibility that most non-programmer people mostly experienced the negative effects?

Yeah absolutely. These people in particular, at the time, really on experienced it through 2 factors:

1. They (like many people) posted a lot of their midjourney creations for a few months. (21/22 was like that)

2. They saw an increase in low quality submissions.

So gripes about AI art and low quality submissions seem perfectly valid.

>Blockchain turned out to be an absolutely awful payment method >AI is now the thing that 1) is drowning the internet in slop, 2) companies throw into everything - to the point of making apps unusable, 3) makes most computer parts unaffordable. And what they get in return is... a kinda okay-ish Google? A homework plagiarism machine?

Yeah so I am not complaining about people having negative opinions, I was sort of talking about the over meme, the zeitgeist switch where suddenly the entire conversation goes from pros/cons to what appears to be a standard, negative message that everyone absorbed in a short time. Basically used like a thought terminating cliche. I have problems with crypto, and I like things about crypto. I can have a great conversation with most people, but for 12 months or so, you couldn't have a conversation without people loudly shouting about how the power use was going to destroy the environment and that it was going to use X% of the power by Y date. They didn't want to talk about it, they had been given evidence that the discussion was over and everything was solved in favor of their beliefs. The AI debate has now roughly arrived in the same place, there's no longer really a discussion, but the zeitgeist has this one single mode that's constantly debated. To the point where you could be running a local LLM trained only on data from the 1800s and you can still be considered to be responsible for some data centre single handedly draining a lake.

My point is, like crypto, this fixed idea will eventually erode and the hate train will move on. People with well thought out negative opinions are still going to exist past that time, they just wont have people screaming at fever pitch about it constantly.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

#558

There are "nice", "polite" slop enthusiasts. The ones who insist they have taste and tact. They would never post bad slop, recklessly, only the very highest-quality human-refined, curated slop. Not really slop at all, they would argue, because they gave it a careful review before posting it. They insist there's a very important difference between this premium slop and the nasty kind, and that low-quality human-author…

good, i see what you've done here.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

#559

I kind feel this might be good. Bot writen comments and AI media that can no longer be distinguish from real, will make us human leave the social networks, which helped to separate Us humans. Going back to the real world were you can trully believe on what you see, and enjoy the tone, look and scent of of our fellows humans beings.

The problem is that many of us have niche interests and no one local to discuss things with or get made fun of for being a nerd. I loved maps and geography as a child and still do. I've never met anyone in real life that likes it as much as me. But on the internet there are places were I can discuss it and other people share fascinating articles, pictures, etc.

This is why cities are popular for this exact type of person. For centuries. People with niche interests move to a city, which by sheer density, have others with said interest.

Plenty of people have a reason why they can’t do it, but plenty do it and are happier for finding their community IRL.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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post #551

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Genuinely dont know how this made at least 3 people angry enough to downvote but not suggest why.

I'm not angry, you just seem to be taking a very self-centered view on the general vibe in this specific forum you mentioned, and are interpreting general anti-AI/blockchain sentiment as personal attacks. So I downvoted.

Its more like, here are the decisions I made while being in the position of being on the outside of sentiment, and the timeline of that changing sentiment.

The only thing I really took personally was the call for death, and that was me making a decision to leave in favor of my mental health.

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