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Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by gramie »

davyAdewoyin wrote: post #83
quiet35 wrote: post #78

I see at least 2 issues with the physical punishment: - it will only make the bullies taking their revenge on vulnerable ones with even more cruelty. And they will plan it carefully to be hard/impossible to prove. It will lead to the escalation, not to the resolution - the power will be abused, it's inevitable. I would be so scared to be in a class where "teacher" has the power to harm me physically! (to clarify: I a…

As I previously mentioned, if you actually grew up in a system where corporal punishment is carried out, you would find that point two is not such a bother. No one cares whether a parent or teacher can cane them except they were in the wrong of course, perhaps because it is a culture and a shared experience and I knew a lot of children growing up who prefer the canning to other form of punishment. I think the issue l…

> such cases were easily resolved

Hah!

In any case, it is a curious argument that, in order to show that stronger people should not hurt weaker people, you think it's okay for stronger people to hurt weaker people.

Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by AshleyGrant »

walletdrainer wrote: post #59
lava_pidgeon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany you can force somebody to stay until police arrives but unnecessary violence is forbidden

And what’d be the point? The police will not be interested in the would-be phone thief, calling them would be of negative value to society.

So, because there is a failure of policing in your locale, we should simply resort to vigilante justice?

Looks to me like you should be pissed off at the police in your locale for forcing you to fend for yourself against criminals.

Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by gramie »

CM30 wrote: post #25
lioeters wrote: post #4

Solution against bullies: a bigger bully.

I'm no fan of caning or physical punishment for crimes, but isn't that how a lot of bullying ends? The victim snaps, the bully gets beaten up or injured in some way and the latter finds an easier target to go after? At the end of the day, a bully picks on those they perceive to not be a threat, whether that's a school bully using physical violence or a copyright/patent troll harassing individual creators and small co…

I would suspect that the vast majority of bullying ends when the victim is able to escape from the bully -- by changing schools, etc.

We hear about victims snapping and beating up their bullies because that makes a good story. How about victims who snap but then are beaten up (because the bullies are often bigger and more used to violence) even more? Probably much more common.

Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by kuerbel »

aeve890 wrote: post #58
lava_pidgeon wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How Germany or Denmark or Sweden failed?

>How Germany Do you really need examples of Germany failing as a civilized society?

I hope you know that there are Germans on this site, so don't try any fox news bullshit.

Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by AshleyGrant »

noworriesnate wrote: post #34
altmanaltman wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your view here. You want people to take care of problems/injusitice by violence but you also want this violence to be limited to "someone doing something bad for their community"? How can that be enforced at all. Like if you are doing something good for your community, the other community feels slighted and gets a free pass to... beat you? Like I dont understand what you're saying at all because it…

There ought to be an understanding that the school has leeway to use a ruler on misbehaving children without the police being involved. That's what I meant when I said stop getting police involved in everything. I'm not talking about vigilante justice. An example that requires police to be involved: Small Town A has a law stating that anyone dealing drugs must be caned for the first offense. Someone deals drugs in Sm…

Yes, because it is a well-known fact that police never use their power to bully others. It's also an established fact that nobody is ever wrongly accused of crimes by the police.

I swear, some of y'all just dream of being able to cane people or something.

Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by gramie »

lava_pidgeon wrote: post #43

Btw, besides using violence on school children is barbaric this action is also sexism. Young boys generally suffer more from violence. Now the teacher can add it. Besides, why is the teacher right? They make mistakes , they can be racist etc. Just stupd

When I was a volunteer in Africa, my school's English teacher was furious because none of the students in his class had done the homework. His solution: to bring them into the staff room one by one, have them hold their hands in a "chef's kiss", fingertips pointing up. He then whacked their fingertips ten times with a short wooden rod (laughing as he delivered the final blow, "and one for Caesar!).

These were tough, hardworking teenagers, but very few of them were not in tears when they stumbled out of the room.

The next day we found out that he had forgotten to assign the homework.

So why should corporal punishment ever be considered appropriate?

(I'm not arguing with you, but agreeing with you.)

Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by lurking_swe »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #72
rvnx wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, think of it like this: these teenagers take pleasure harming defenseless animals. They like to torture them psychologically and physically, precisely because they are defenseless. Well, these animals are just big animals: human. It means: they find it fun so they actually enjoy harming humans. This is precisely the reason for bullying. Punishing these behaviors early, and you might actually stop this pleasure-l…

Pithy version: Hitting kids to show them that hitting other kids is wrong? Less pithy version: The message you send by beating kids, is that violence is wrong unless you're big and strong enough and have enough authority that nobody can stop you. This is not a good way to get kids to be less violent, it just teaches them to be more calculated in their violence.

another take: some people are emotionally “dumb” and have a really hard time feeling empathy for others. This is just another way to force the bully to be in someone else’s shoes…literally.

Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by aeve890 »

kuerbel wrote: post #105
aeve890 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How Germany Do you really need examples of Germany failing as a civilized society?

I hope you know that there are Germans on this site, so don't try any fox news bullshit.

Geez so this is the German sense of humor. Fox news bullshit? Come on.

Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by markdown »

gramie wrote: post #107
lava_pidgeon wrote: post #43

Btw, besides using violence on school children is barbaric this action is also sexism. Young boys generally suffer more from violence. Now the teacher can add it. Besides, why is the teacher right? They make mistakes , they can be racist etc. Just stupd

When I was a volunteer in Africa, my school's English teacher was furious because none of the students in his class had done the homework. His solution: to bring them into the staff room one by one, have them hold their hands in a "chef's kiss", fingertips pointing up. He then whacked their fingertips ten times with a short wooden rod (laughing as he delivered the final blow, "and one for Caesar!). These were tough,…

lol, standard practice in schools where I grew up, though not with a wooden rod but the wooden back of the blackboard duster.
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