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Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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> However it did not matter. The posts remained popular and continued to bring in comments even after the admission that they were fake That's 90% of current Facebook pages and groups.

The decline of Facebook is sad. I liked it early on. I used it primarily to follow family and casual friends from high school. When they posted, it would show up on my feed, I read all the posts, and that was that. After awhile I had to wade through all sorts of nonsense to get to the posts I actually wanted to see, and even later Facebook stopped putting posts from people I follow in my feed. It was 100% garbage. I…

I often hear that about Facebook, but at least it has a "feeds" button that you can press to get the sources you actually subscribe to. The default "home" feed is useless.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

#462
Giant online communities, yes. Small ones seem totally unaffected afaict - some harder to spot scam/spam accounts, but they're outed as soon as they act. And any invitation-based thing should almost perfectly block those.

Smaller communities are generally a lot healthier anyway, so tbh I don't think this is all that bad of a thing. I don't think it's possible to be open to millions and also be healthy, unless you spend a lot of money paying moderators (and regularly rotating them, to prevent burn-out or mental harm from too much exposure, which ~0 do in an even slightly ethical way).

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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post #114

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The threads that have the top comment saying "this is AI slop" are nearly always about an article that is obvious AI slop. Threads that aren't - like this one - don't.

If you need to tell yourself that in order to cope that's fine with me.

Which part do you disagree with?

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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This. Everything important has moved to discord. Which is sad because of how undiscoverable and unsearchable it is.

I'm more sad about how the UI of it all is just clunky. Even though it resembles ye olde IRC clients like mIRC, nowhere near readable for some reason.

Settings->Accessibility

Set text size as preferred, underline links (or not), turn off display name styles (or not), ui density compact or default, chat message display to compact, space between message groups 0px, turn off all the animated emojis and gif animation stuff if you want.

In client use, there's a button to hide member list (or not).

You can definitely make discord look like a slightly less dense IRC client (mainly because of the channel picker) if you want. And if you want to go really crazy use it in a browser and userscript customize it or use betterdiscord.

I think a lot of the features like embeds and emoji reactions add a lot of value compared to IRC (which I think is also why the IRC world is trying to add those features).

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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> I think it's going to effectively kill public chat communities without either proof of identity or attestation through a web of trust. I'm happy to verify my identity as an honest-to-god sack of meat if it's done in a privacy-protecting way. That probably is where things are gonna go, in the long run. Too hard to stop bots otherwise.

In order to make this viable, wouldn't you have to verify identity repeatedly? What's to stop me from providing a valid identity and then handing my account over to an agent after I'm verified?

You could, but things would still be harder for botters.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

#466
1. human verification for auth.

2. only human generated input composer, no copy/paste, no file uploads ect. control the composer. control the camera sessions for photos videos.

3. no algorithmic feed that is designed for ad-spend and eyeballs.

4. moderate

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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> I am not quite there with Hacker News but I do know for a fact that many "users" here are LLMs. This just makes me wonder...so what? Some of the oldest posters here with the most karma continue to post absolute garbage takes on topics ranging from US healthcare to history of USSR, that are trivially disproven by learning the very basics from a Wiki article (e.g. not a high bar). To be fair, this opinion slop is als…

Would you enjoy the experience of telling your LLM “make a HN-style comment thread on $subject with 200 comments, no trolls please”, and then actually spend time reading them? No? I’m imagining not at least. Because there would be no point to it. If you would enjoy it, then I’m surprised you’re here and not just simulating the experience with your LLM by yourself.

> Would you enjoy the experience of telling your LLM “make a HN-style comment thread on $subject with 200 comments, no trolls please”

The reason I'm not simulating the experience with an LLM is because:

1. It costs more time to do so, because I have to prompt it to create a single comment. Multiply that by the typical number of an HN thread.

2. I suppose in a way you need bad takes to form your own view of a topic or an issue. LLMs would also be unable to provide truly unique experiences, such as some of the veterans who sometimes post here who were part of the living computing history as we know it.

> I’m surprised you’re here and not just simulating the experience with your LLM by yourself.

That's something you imagined that I claimed I want. If you read my comment again, you'll see there was no such thing.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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post #265

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> I am not quite there with Hacker News but I do know for a fact that many "users" here are LLMs. This just makes me wonder...so what? Some of the oldest posters here with the most karma continue to post absolute garbage takes on topics ranging from US healthcare to history of USSR, that are trivially disproven by learning the very basics from a Wiki article (e.g. not a high bar). To be fair, this opinion slop is als…

An irascible human being with "wrong" opinions is still better than a polite and factually correct bot because there's no fucking point in having a conversation with a bot. We're here to have conversations with people, not to prove fact beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you really not care one way or the other? Would you really rather just be talking to LLMs here? Or would you just script yourself as well and call it a d…

> We're here to have conversations with people, not to prove fact beyond a reasonable doubt.

Maybe you are. I like getting to a reasonably correct model of a topic or issue. Bad human takes can still be useful here. I just get inevitably tired of the people crying about potential LLM comments all the time.

> Would you really rather just be talking to LLMs here?

Obviously we're not there yet, regardless of what I want. But there is a great number of HN threads posted here that touch on topics that have been discussed so many countless times, that an average LLM summary would do better than most comments.

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