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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by etblg »

gamblor956 wrote: post #389
cameronh90 wrote: post #173

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It's not "surprisingly" unless you haven't bought much in the last 20 years. China-owned brands are now often better and more premium than their Western counterparts across the entire spectrum. Give me Anker over Belkin any day. There are a few areas where the West still leads - Chinese software tends to be buggier and less polished, luxury apparel isn't at the same standard - but that lead is diminishing rapidly. Cu…

Anker was founded and is owned by an American...

I'm not sure where you're getting that from, from wikipedia:

> Anker was founded in 2011 by Steven Yang in Shenzhen, Guangdong, but the company moved its headquarters to Changsha, Hunan.

And its listed on the Shenzhen stock exchange as a public company.

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Post by mrexcess »

lenerdenator wrote: post #449
mrexcess wrote: post #432

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Comparisons between CCP and private industry in the West seems misaligned in several respects. CCP does not have fiduciary duty to shareholders, instead, it has accountability to national political goals as well as broad based economic outcomes. This is a much different model. Yes, the CCP has the sort of power that elite authoritarians crave, but it also has constraints and demands that no elites would ever face. I…

Of course it has fiduciary duty to shareholders. If they don't set up deals that investors want, they can't continue to exist. Is it something that they can be sued for in a court? No, but it's just how markets work. As far as the execution of government officials for bribery, they also do quite a bit of other enforcement action that "Western permissiveness" just wouldn't tolerate, like sending ordinary people - not…

China does not have “shareholders”, though. There are incredibly substantive differences between the accountability structures and expectations of shareholders, and those that govern broad based and diverse national geopolitical interests in China.

China’s government is likewise not accountable to or easily fit into the framework of “a market”, for reasons not the least of which include it being explicitly anti-capitalist. Wealth hoarding does not accumulate political power in China, and those who attempt this play can and regularly do find themselves put back in their place - possibly a prison or a crematorium.

As for re-education “camps”, the US imprisons approximately 10% of its population - a huge number by any standards historical or contemporary - and virtually none of these are billionaires or governing elites, who are functionally immune to the systems of authority that “rehabilitate” regular Americans.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by joe_mamba »

stasomatic wrote: post #446
joe_mamba wrote: post #258

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>In the US it's practically a right of passage to be a young adult and very vocally hate the country, hate the government. Well, unless ICE murders you at a protest for expressing your hate of the government's actions. >In China you don't have a life in front of you if you do that. That's very much not true. China isn't North Korea like Westerners imagine. Unless you riot, take to the streets, or become a big agitato…

>due to its successful policies from the last half-century >that brought prosperity and lifted Not because of the West giving China its industry, because - greed and China's blatant IP theft? Who cares if the communists make everything we consume, right? Stock price, yo. "Apple in China" by Patrick McGee is a good read. I like Chinese food, the arts, the folklore, they make my favorite bows (archery), but I don't wan…

>Not because of the West giving China its industry, because - greed and China's blatant IP theft?

If I'm voluntarily giving you my IP with no contractual assurance for protection, is it my fault or yours?

Never stop your enemy when he's making mistakes.

>because - greed Stock price, yo.

Why wouldn't you weaponize their greed against them? "Forget about pedophiles, the DOW is over 50,000."

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Post by threethirtytwo »

tptacek wrote: post #435
threethirtytwo wrote: post #427

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https://www.technotheoria.org//p/most-accurate-national-iqs-... from google. Also every measurement on google is remarkably inline with each other even though it's from sources that are noisy. A better way to put it. If you have 20 noisy/biased sources of data but each source is unique and gathered in distinct ways. And all 20 sources show a unique pattern of Asia beating the US... then it's quite likely, the consist…

Just skimming, and tell me if I'm wrong, but the preprint this article is about acknowledges the obvious fact that IQ tests are not generally administered across broad populations of countries and attempts to reconstruct IQ from available statistics of income, life expectancy, and educational attainment. I'm sure if I dig deeper into its cites we'll get back to the same online IQ quiz most of these IQ maps end up cit…

It's a blurry lens. But it's also the best lens that we got.

Also if we have 30 blurry lenses looking at the same thing from different angles and we see the same feature... that says something very likely about reality.

I hope we're not in the sort of discussion where if no absolutely solid statistical evidence or scientific paper says something about it then the topic cannot be discussed.

Put it this way. I'm quite likely to be right.

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Post by tptacek »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #454
tptacek wrote: post #435

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Just skimming, and tell me if I'm wrong, but the preprint this article is about acknowledges the obvious fact that IQ tests are not generally administered across broad populations of countries and attempts to reconstruct IQ from available statistics of income, life expectancy, and educational attainment. I'm sure if I dig deeper into its cites we'll get back to the same online IQ quiz most of these IQ maps end up cit…

It's a blurry lens. But it's also the best lens that we got. Also if we have 30 blurry lenses looking at the same thing from different angles and we see the same feature... that says something very likely about reality. I hope we're not in the sort of discussion where if no absolutely solid statistical evidence or scientific paper says something about it then the topic cannot be discussed. Put it this way. I'm quite…

I think if you look back through your comments you'll see that the argument you're making here doesn't square with the confident assertion you made earlier that you'd get national average IQ by simply averaging the IQ test scores of people in different countries.

This paper was your best cite for the existence of national IQ averages, and it refutes your argument. If you have another cite, you should expect me to actually read that one too.

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Post by threethirtytwo »

tptacek wrote: post #455
threethirtytwo wrote: post #454

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It's a blurry lens. But it's also the best lens that we got. Also if we have 30 blurry lenses looking at the same thing from different angles and we see the same feature... that says something very likely about reality. I hope we're not in the sort of discussion where if no absolutely solid statistical evidence or scientific paper says something about it then the topic cannot be discussed. Put it this way. I'm quite…

I think if you look back through your comments you'll see that the argument you're making here doesn't square with the confident assertion you made earlier that you'd get national average IQ by simply averaging the IQ test scores of people in different countries. This paper was your best cite for the existence of national IQ averages, and it refutes your argument. If you have another cite, you should expect me to act…

My assertion was this: Many sources… all pretty aligned.

Where was I off? They are aligned.

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Post by bdangubic »

watwut wrote: post #408
bdangubic wrote: post #165

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what has become of America where we are now scared shitless of China... oh well, i is what it is... America our ancestors built would have been like bring it on bitches and here we are "oh please, lets not let China in, our companies are subpar and we stand no chance against such a foe...

America was always like that. The posturing of "bring it on bitches" does not imply reality of it. Ameruca had that attitude when it was more developped then competition. Ot was protectionist when it was less developped. And always used diplomacy and superpower status to push other countries into buying more american.

   Let me tell you a highly stylized version of the American story.

   In the beginning, there was a startup called the United States, which we’ll refer to by its stock-ticker symbol, USA. It was young, scrappy, and hungry and needed to figure out how to deliver value to its citizens users.

   So it did a bunch of things: It created a central bank. It expanded its territory. It established mass communications (the postal service) and roads and public education. Eventually, it took the painful step of expunging slavery.

   This startup grew in size and productivity and market cap. Its user base became enormous. After about 160 years, USA became the biggest company on the planet, at which point it achieved a bunch of important network effects. Because USA benefited from free trade, it developed a military that could enforce a globalized system of free trade. Capital—both human and financial—flowed into USA. People—both users and clients4—loved USA. And for another 70 years it delivered good results for both. Its stock couldn’t have been higher.

   But then USA went down the road toward enshittification...
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-enshittified-states-of-amer...

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by tptacek »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #456
tptacek wrote: post #455

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I think if you look back through your comments you'll see that the argument you're making here doesn't square with the confident assertion you made earlier that you'd get national average IQ by simply averaging the IQ test scores of people in different countries. This paper was your best cite for the existence of national IQ averages, and it refutes your argument. If you have another cite, you should expect me to act…

My assertion was this: Many sources… all pretty aligned. Where was I off? They are aligned.

I'm pretty comfortable with where this thread has landed. Thanks for fleshing it out with me.

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Post by tmnvix »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #51
plaidthunder wrote: post #27

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Competition. Lower prices. Better repairability.

A BYD seal is between $35k and $50k USD in various non US, non China countries that I checked Mexico, Germany, australia, Thailand. Competition is great but it doesn't mean that the cars in America are bad. The lada was a failure of a car compared to other similar cars available elsewhere. That is not the case here.

What is the equivalent of the ATTO 1 in the US? Does that choice even exist?

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Post by tmnvix »

titanomachy wrote: post #228
electriclove wrote: post #186

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Which country was this in?

Must be EU somewhere, never seen a Skoda anywhere else.

Plenty in NZ. The police use the wagon. They used to use GM/Holden vehicles but at some point they became the worse choice (reduced headroom in the rear seats amongst other reasons).
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