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Photoshop's challenges with focus, pt. 2

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Re: Photoshop's challenges with focus, pt. 2

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Post by dkdokdoefjej »

twhitmore wrote: post #7

What an incompetence & embarrassment. This seems like a failure of product management, management & executives rather than actual software craftspeople. Those responsible -- all of the people -- should be promoted to digging ditches.

> This seems like a failure of product management, management & executives rather than actual software craftspeople.

I’d say it’s all of them. A developer that doesn’t stop to consider that it is just absurd to validate an input box while it is still in focus is a developer that is very clearly lacking. But then again those higher up in the command chain also let it slide and actually be released.

So yeah, lots of people to blame here. Including the devs.

Re: Photoshop's challenges with focus, pt. 2

#62

Post by dkdokdoefjej »

MontagFTB wrote: post #54
freedomben wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclosing my bias up front: I think Adobe is an evil company and I actively avoid them. This is not personal against Adobe employees however. I know there are a lot of people who want things to be better and work their asses off toward that goal. Indeed, I don't think most people can appreciate how hard the tension is between shipping and perfection. As a fellow perfectionist, it kills me to ship things that I know…

Thank you. Differing opinions of Adobe aside, you sound like the kind of engineer I'd enjoy a beer with.

Adobe’s engineering team being drunk would explain a lot.

Re: Photoshop's challenges with focus, pt. 2

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Post by qingcharles »

MontagFTB wrote: post #24

Hey all- I am Foster Brereton and Principal Scientist for this UI effort. Suffice it to say, the article and this thread have had their impact on the people behind the software. We are aware we got a lot of things wrong. As the primary technical lead on the UI migration, a lot of the implementation details ultimately fall up to me. Two things I can tell you: the engineering team does care about Photoshop (I’ve been o…

Why does Camera Raw in Photoshop always open as some weird full-screen dialog box? I want it maximized, but as its a dialog it covers even the task bar, and lacks the usual window controls. If I'm doing denoise, which can take minutes, then I have to try and alt-tab the whole app into the background just to see the taskbar.

Also, for as long as I've been using Camera Raw, on every PC, the mouse lags like absolute crazy on the crop tab, to the point where I have given up using it.

Re: Photoshop's challenges with focus, pt. 2

#64

Post by qingcharles »

somebehemoth wrote: post #25
MontagFTB wrote: post #24

Hey all- I am Foster Brereton and Principal Scientist for this UI effort. Suffice it to say, the article and this thread have had their impact on the people behind the software. We are aware we got a lot of things wrong. As the primary technical lead on the UI migration, a lot of the implementation details ultimately fall up to me. Two things I can tell you: the engineering team does care about Photoshop (I’ve been o…

Why were these sharp edges not discovered in UAT? It seems hard to believe that the people who make Photoshop do not use Photoshop to the degree necessary to notice these regressions. How will you avoid these kinds of problems in future updates as your transition to a modern design continues?

They actually have a very slick and very active beta program. I use the betas 99% of the time, and they are practically weekly updated. I'm surprised something like this wasn't reported en masse very quickly. Maybe it's just not annoying enough -- it doesn't reach the threshold for someone to file an issue. I know it's the sort of regression where I would huff and puff and get on with my day.

Re: Photoshop's challenges with focus, pt. 2

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Post by vintagedave »

frizlab wrote: post #21
vintagedave wrote: post #8

> It’s not that hard to picture people spending 8+ hours a day going through these windows for years if not decades to come, and it’s not hard to add and multiply all... This is key to being a product manager, as well as a UX designer. It is the single most important lesson to learn for anyone managing stable, longterm software. I used to be the PM for the Delphi IDE (RAD Studio, C++Builder) and we did a UX refresh.…

> I wouldn't be surprised to hear Photoshop was using some web renderer these days to render their UI. Apparently it is, indeed, just HTML and the likes. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48048363

That is the upvote I wish I didn’t have to give.

Also, a fantastic rabbit hole of great websites and articles on design. Thankyou.

Re: Photoshop's challenges with focus, pt. 2

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Post by MontagFTB »

qingcharles wrote: post #64
somebehemoth wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why were these sharp edges not discovered in UAT? It seems hard to believe that the people who make Photoshop do not use Photoshop to the degree necessary to notice these regressions. How will you avoid these kinds of problems in future updates as your transition to a modern design continues?

They actually have a very slick and very active beta program. I use the betas 99% of the time, and they are practically weekly updated. I'm surprised something like this wasn't reported en masse very quickly. Maybe it's just not annoying enough -- it doesn't reach the threshold for someone to file an issue. I know it's the sort of regression where I would huff and puff and get on with my day.

These changes were part of the Beta program. As far as I am aware the response there was not on the same level as this blog post.

Re: Photoshop's challenges with focus, pt. 2

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Post by freedomben »

MontagFTB wrote: post #54
freedomben wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclosing my bias up front: I think Adobe is an evil company and I actively avoid them. This is not personal against Adobe employees however. I know there are a lot of people who want things to be better and work their asses off toward that goal. Indeed, I don't think most people can appreciate how hard the tension is between shipping and perfection. As a fellow perfectionist, it kills me to ship things that I know…

Thank you. Differing opinions of Adobe aside, you sound like the kind of engineer I'd enjoy a beer with.

Same! Appreciate the engagement
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