I think it's going to effectively kill public chat communities without either proof of identity or attestation through a web of trust. Or rather turn them into little better than comment sections on news sites; thriving but worthless. I'm active in a number of online communities that are doing just fine but the difference is those all involve ongoing relationships, built over time and with engagement across multiple…
Im not sure proof of identity solves anything. People will still have LLMs with their real identity verified.
I’m imagining like, a physical place you would go and get your text spoken out of your personal speaker directly into someone else’s microphones.
The company I work for has a deep rooted community side and despite what big techs do, I am 100% confident the only aspects we have in community features are for the user benefit. No gray area. Just that. Since the AI sloppification we lost considerable amount of traffic to bots. But worse than that, we lost users who tended to contribute back with others. We can leverage multiple ways of exposing community data to m…
I left multiple online communities because the slop and the slop users were unbearable. I use ai okay. I think it's useful. But people who dove hard into this stuff treat all text on their screen like it's a chat bot and not a person. "Rewrite this code using the new API" "excuse me?" "Can you do it I need it right now chatgpt won't compile!" "Show me your code please" provides the biggest pile of dookie ever "hey ca…
I've seen people like this 15+ years ago on #learnprogramming on Freenode, I'm guessing LLMs just tend to validate that behavior instead.
Which is, funnily (?) enough, how a lot of IRL organizations used to be. And basically don't be of the wrong ethnicity or religion. It still happens more informally today, of course, but it used to be a pretty (if un-spoken) part of how a lot of WASPy organizations operated to a greater or lesser degree.
This was cogent in 1910.
A lot more recently than that--and even today but more under the table. A lot of clubs still excluded members within the past few decades.
It's a reference to this I think https://www.androidauthority.com/google-recaptcha-play-servi...
Wow, that's bad. Looks like the warnings about TPM and remote attestation being a backdoor to total digital lockdown from the Stallman contingent were right.
The tin foil hatters are always told they're making slippery slope fallacies until they're proven right a few years later. Over and over again.
If there's only 1 or just a handful of verifiers, then a human can at most go through a few of those credentials before they run out. The risk is of course getting someone else's credential but that isn't as big an issue, especially for smaller online communities.
you under estimate human population in certain countries, literally
I just don't see a world where a small community ends up having to deal with a dedicated set of potentially spoofed identities. There are already tools like slow-downs and post limits for new members that can protect against this. HN is the biggest community I'm in by an order of magnitude and it's the only community I know that can't just use a slow mode type mechanic to halt this kind of attack.
I do not feel sad about lost online communities. When i was at my early 20s (early 2010s) FIDO of my university was still running and i had amazing time with some oldschool hackers there. I was too young for that community and always had a feeling that I have lost or , rather, missed something great... you know, like i was born 20 years later than i would had liked to. Now this echo conference is dead. That 486 machine was probably disconnected and thrown away somewhere. Everything dies at some point. Ask yourself : do you need the tech that gives that community vibe or do you need the people behind. I try to stick to people. As for me, i would rather have an in blood-and-flesh nerd friend instead of a whole human-driven reddit. He probably knows the answer, he is happy to help. There was an article here at HN long ago, that in average we have around 150 close contacts at a time. Some drop in, some fall out and get unconciously replaced. Going beyond that number would imply exponential increase of management costs. Those oldschool guys from FIDO, they disappeared for me without a trace. Partially because quite soon I ended up in the community of radio-engineers. Honestly, i am grateful to all people that helped me online, those who were there, who actively participated and, for some reason, cared.
Human slop is realistically just as bad. In a strange twist, human commentary on the Internet is asymptotically approaching an older LLM. Trite cliches, repetitive tropes, and tribal affiliation signals dominate conversation. I have turned to blunt instruments: blocking individuals on their first cliche banner-wave. It has substantially improved comment quality but I still suffer from the problem that I don’t block s…