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AI slop is killing online communities

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Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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I have largely written Reddit off and no longer visit it after an experiment I did where I had an agent karma farm for me and do some covert advertising. As I went through the posts it wrote I realized that as a reader I would have NO idea that these were just written by a computer. Many many people (or other bots) had full on conversations with it and it scared me a bit. I am not quite there with Hacker News but I d…

I wonder, how much of the discussions on the results of agentic coding is just LLM slop.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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People are definitely trying to make HN bots because I have seen several get flagged. No idea to what end though.

The ones you see flagged are the very obvious bots. What about the more sophisticated ones? How do I know skupig isn't a bot?

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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I have largely written Reddit off and no longer visit it after an experiment I did where I had an agent karma farm for me and do some covert advertising. As I went through the posts it wrote I realized that as a reader I would have NO idea that these were just written by a computer. Many many people (or other bots) had full on conversations with it and it scared me a bit. I am not quite there with Hacker News but I d…

> Online communities are definitely dying. I guess I hope that maybe IRL communities have a resurgence in this wake.

You can have both IRL and online-free-of-bots. I already wrote about it but one of the very best forum I'm a member of, where real people are posting, requires to be vetted in, web-of-trust (but IRL) style. It's a forum about cars from one fancy brand and you can only ever join the forum by having a member (I think it may be two, don't remember) who's already in confirm that he saw you driving a car of that brand. It's not 100% foolproof (someone could be renting the car for two hours and show up at a cars&coffee or take a friend's car etc.) but this place really feels like a forum of yore.

And people do eventually travel, so it's bound to happen that an owner shall go to another country, meet someone there, vet him in etc.

Now, sure, it may not be the "1 million users acquired in three days thanks to my vibe-coded app" scenario but that is the point.

You can imagine other domains where IRL communities have local groups, but where forums regroup different IRL communities all interested by the same hobby/topic/domain. And when people travel and meet, the vetted members do grow and connect.

Oh and on the forums a lot of the posts are pictures, where "Julian xxx" met "Black yyy Cyril" and you see both cars (and from more than two people): suddenly it becomes much harder to fake a persona... You now need to fake both Julian xxx and Black yyy Cyril and fake the pics. And explain why your car has never been posted by any carspotter on autogespot etc.

You can imagine the same for, say, model trains: "Met Jean at the zzz meetup, where he brought his wonderful 4-8-8-4 'big boy' locomotive, I confirm he's into the hobby, vet him in".

Naysayers and depressive people are going say it cannot work but I'm literally on one such forum and it just works.

P.S: if I'm not mistaken in the past in some nobility circles you had to be vetted by up to sixteen (!) other people from the nobility that'd confirm they knew you, your parents, etc. before you'd even meet the king/emperor/monarch to make sure that someone from far away couldn't come to, say, Versailles or Schonnbrun pretending to be a baroness or count or whatever. Quite the extensive check if you ask me.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

#174

Question for web devs - are captchas effective any more? If Reddit required a captcha on every comment, would it actually decrease bot comments?

There's a reason Google is switching to "scan this QR code on your phone with a Google-authorized TPM" kind of CAPTCHAs

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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The importance of good search engines and good discovery engines will grow even more.

Can such a thing even exist now? Any search engine algorithm can be gamed by AI.

I actually think the good old Page rank[0] is crucial because if the authoritative sources link to some website, webpage or content it means that particular item provides some kind of value to the entity that linked it. I'm also a big fan of metadata which can be used to describe web content and make the content more usable to the search engines and the Web users.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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post #106

This is a good thing. social media was already slop before AI. If this gets more intellectuals off these same websites daily and instead spend their time to better things, then I love AI slop’s purpose. There’s more to the internet than Reddit, TikTok, and youtube. Really there is, if your circle of friends is small or non existent without going to the same dotcoms, you have an issue that is worse than any AI slop tb…

getting people off the internet is antithetical to the business goals of the AI companies. they won't let that happen without a fight

They're making it happen whether they like it or not.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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He's stating a fact. Turn on showed in your options and scroll to the bottom of the comments on any popular story. There are so many agentic users here.

Having to turn on showdead (which I have turned on by default) demonstrates that’s it’s not much of a problem in practice.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

#179
post #115

How would one build an online community free of LLM agents commenters and links to "slop" content? Strict invitation trees? Small signup fees? No SEO incentives?

Im not a crypto person, but I was intrigued by Chia. They generate their coins based on allocating disk space. So if you have a bit of free space, you can fill it with plots and play the lotto. The intriguing part is that I think it works against scaling. The incremental cost for me to use the 500GB of free space on my disk is $0, but someone scaling a bot farm has to buy all their space. Real people tend to have a l…

The actual reality of Chia is that it drove up hard drive prices just like LLMs drove up GPU prices. People bought petabytes of space just to run Chia and if you wanted a computer you had to outbid them.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

#180

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We're in the middle of an active cold war where countries are trying to manipulate the citizens of rival countries to destroy their civilization without having to fire a single bullet. Anonymous, over the internet mass manipulation, all for some minimal electricity cost.

That's definitely the most insidious use, but I think the larger portion is advertisers and karma farmers (who later sell to advertisers).

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/05/nx-s1-5100829/russia-election...

If Russia is willing to spend cash like that, then of course they're willing to run massive bot farms to pollute any forums they can. I'd be shocked if the US was not doing the same in any way they can. You have to ask why Trump killed Radio Free America as well when it was clearly not an big expense.

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