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Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by Waterluvian »

quantified wrote: post #196

When photosynthesis first appeared, the oxygen it produced poisoned the existing life. Sulfur-breathers basically disappeared. In the geologic record the oxygen shows up as massive layers of iron oxide which we mine and turn into steel now. New things can radically shake up the existing environment, the degree of shakeup is the measure of how radical it is.

It’s the ultimate NIMBYism. The idea is fine but nobody actually wants it when they’re the sulphur breather.

If you really want to see a radical shakeup that would have some very exciting effects, could I interest you in a little Total Atomic Anihilation?

Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by hamdingers »

jolmg wrote: post #128
Kirby64 wrote: post #2

Not just motherboards. Cases, PC accessories (fans, etc), consumer SSDs, and more. Cases are especially hard hit, apparently, as they're already quite a low margin business. Personally, I see little reason to upgrade from my AM4 platform. It's never been easier to hold on to aging hardware with the advent of DLSS stretching older cards further, diminishing returns on the newer gen GPUs, and the 'realism' of video gam…

> and the 'realism' of video games plateauing. I used to think the plateau was here when the Xbox 360 and PS3 came out.

Since we're 10 years on at this point, I feel pretty confident saying the plateau to my eyes landed somewhere between the PS4 in 2013 and Pascal (GeForce 10-series) in 2016.

I've kept playing games and upgrading my GPU every other generation, and they're still fully utilized, but I can't really see where the additional compute and money is going. My biggest visual upgrade during that time was actually going from LED to HDR OLED which is something that requires virtually no additional processing power.

Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by QuiEgo »

hx8 wrote: post #59

PC is the last major open platform. While other platforms like Android and becoming less open, PC in general is becoming more open than it's been in a long time as heavy MacOS/Android/iOS competition is creating a focus on open standards and all-time high strong Linux support gives people a place to land and tinker/hack to their heart's content. I think we will see an abandonment of consumer grade PC components and i…

For most people, I’d recommend a NuC or a NAS with an unlocked bootloader (so you can put Linux on) for a home server.

Most home users need a small amount of compute, and are sensitive to noise and power use.

Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by estimator7292 »

reactordev wrote: post #191
Aurornis wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Motherboards used to be $100, $200 for the high end. Now they want $300+ Entry level motherboards are still $100. $300+ is a very high end motherboard. The existence of very high end products is confusing because it can give the impression that you have to buy a $300 motherboard because it exists. If you compare features side by side you're rarely missing anything important for the entry level motherboards. Some pe…

If you’re dropping that kind of cash, you definitely want to future proof it and not go with the budget lastgen motherboards.

Buy a $300 motherboard now in case you need future features, or buy a $100 motherboard now that does everything you currently need and then buy a second or even third $100 motherboard if you ever actually need those future improvements.

Then you get a new board designed for the new features instead of something several years old and you come out $100 on top.

Futureproofing is nonsense. PCs just don't work that way, and haven't for decades.

Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by deathanatos »

I'm one of the collapsed sales. My desktop had died, and I had been thinking about rebuilding it.

But RAM prices went to the moon, so I instead opted to repair the desktop. (It's only ~15 years old.) It's alive, again, and performs well enough.

The HDD in it is pretty old (not as old as the rest of it, it's on its second drive; 15 years would be quite impressive!), and still works for now, but there too, prices are silly and well above inflation. (I looked it up again: the same HDD is 50% more expensive today than when I bought it, in real, accounting-for-inflation dollars.)

Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by wil421 »

craftkiller wrote: post #158
hx8 wrote: post #59

PC is the last major open platform. While other platforms like Android and becoming less open, PC in general is becoming more open than it's been in a long time as heavy MacOS/Android/iOS competition is creating a focus on open standards and all-time high strong Linux support gives people a place to land and tinker/hack to their heart's content. I think we will see an abandonment of consumer grade PC components and i…

> I already have home sever rack, and would recommend it for other people. I just want to warn people who haven't heard server-grade hardware in-person before: this is only for people who can put a server rack somewhere unpopulated like a garage or basement. Servers will make you think "wow, leafblowers sure are quiet". They are not suitable for apartment dwellers such as myself. When I was setting up my 1U before sh…

You can buy server boards that don’t require loud fans. If you’re buying used server gear from a datacenter then it will be like what you said.

I have a 4U NAS with a supermicro board and an i3 chip with 6 WD Red NAS drives and it’s very quiet. The chassis came without fans so I installed the brand I like.

Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by c7b »

hx8 wrote: post #59

PC is the last major open platform. While other platforms like Android and becoming less open, PC in general is becoming more open than it's been in a long time as heavy MacOS/Android/iOS competition is creating a focus on open standards and all-time high strong Linux support gives people a place to land and tinker/hack to their heart's content. I think we will see an abandonment of consumer grade PC components and i…

Contrary take: I believe we will see an expanded market for capable PCs that can be sanely put in a living space. By extension of the gaming PC niche to local AI. Both NVidia and AMD are developing product lines in that direction (DGX Spark, Ryzen AI Max). And Linux will be more prominent than ever, due to several independent reasons: MS dropping the ball hard on Windows, SteamOS making Linux attractive for gamers, 'digital sovereignty' as a trend, and Linux being the de facto standard for hosting AI (or anything really).

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Post by disqard »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #208
hx8 wrote: post #59

PC is the last major open platform. While other platforms like Android and becoming less open, PC in general is becoming more open than it's been in a long time as heavy MacOS/Android/iOS competition is creating a focus on open standards and all-time high strong Linux support gives people a place to land and tinker/hack to their heart's content. I think we will see an abandonment of consumer grade PC components and i…

> ... or they are pushed towards server grade components. I already have home sever rack, and would recommend it for other people. An actual rack with noisy 1U or 2U servers may be a bit overkill but on the plus side there's a guaranteed endless supply of such used servers. Now there's a happy middle ground: used workstations with ECC memory, that you then use as servers. People would be really wise to not underestim…

I recommend this too!

I like my Dell Precision T7910 (dual-socket Xeon FTW) a lot.

What are you using?

Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by treyd »

johndhi wrote: post #175
fatal94 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will surely bring new energy into opening these platforms, as it did in days before

why? I'm interested to know, WHY is PC so open? what led to that?

Agreement IBM had to make with the DoJ/etc in the 80s to open the PC platform to avoid antitrust prosecution. That was the key event.

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Post by estimator7292 »

PowerElectronix wrote: post #194
arian_ wrote: post #126

AI is simultaneously the reason you can't buy a motherboard and the reason you don't need to build a PC anymore. The industry is eating itself from both ends.

Why don't I need to build a PC? I wanna run some stuff in it.

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