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LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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I'm not a fan of how LinkedIn operates ... or the culture there in general.

At the same time I wonder what happens when users realize everything they look at is now more visible than ever? People just make fake accounts for browsing?

Maybe it should be that way, but there's an interesting dynamic to "what you look at (even if not a full picture) is visible to some people".

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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> It’s a very European concept, that making life difficult is a worthy pursuit This is an incredibly bold statement, and something I really cannot relate to having lived in Europe for over a decade. It comes across as more of a knee-jerk reaction from someone who believes oversight or accountability of any kind is by definition a needless burden.

I’m an incredibly bold guy. And I would personally just stop operating in the EU if it was between that and being accountable to their bureaucrats.

Nobody's holding a gun to your head, you're welcome to setup shop in the most anarchist society you can find. Good luck with whatever version of "operating" you're able to manage while there :)

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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This is the ludicrous part: > LinkedIn rejected the request on the grounds that protecting that data took precedence. Guess that implies that paying takes precedence on data protection

I wonder if they will be able to make any argument along the lines of: we’re much more confident about the identities of paying customers so we think there’s less privacy risk in that case. I think they should lose the case but I’m curious if anyone can think of a good argument for their side, at all (in the European context where there are data laws, “it’s their website they do what they want” is the conventional US…

They should give the data to people who ask, which will be a snapshot in time presented in a spreadsheet. Then what you are paying for is the interface that shows you who clicked yesterday with a thumbnail and a link to their profile, and who will click tomorrow, as long as you keep paying. But refusing the download option is not on.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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wouldn't that mean every piece of cctv footage that has me in it also belongs to me? i don't see it (no pun intended).

I don’t think anyone has tested that in court. I wouldn’t be surprised if it should belong to you but fact that most CCTV footage is (or at least was) stored by small independent entities means that you aren’t aware that your CCTV data exists, or wouldn’t find it worthwhile to request it all. It would be an interesting angle of attack against classic surveillance, though. If there are any vendors that store the video…

You absolutely can request CCTV footage of you in the EEA. You need to specify time period with sufficient specificity, and how to identify you so they can ensure they are handing out footage of you, but you have a right to it.

It's rarely going to be worth requesting, but if you e.g. need evidence for a civil case, for example, it could be.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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I'm not a fan of how LinkedIn operates ... or the culture there in general. At the same time I wonder what happens when users realize everything they look at is now more visible than ever? People just make fake accounts for browsing? Maybe it should be that way, but there's an interesting dynamic to "what you look at (even if not a full picture) is visible to some people".

Like a reverse panopticon - a truly terrifying concept if you tease it out …

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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No, that's the point. If the data pertains to you, it's yours. No "iff I pay for it".

exactly, but it doesn’t pertain to you until you pay. if we assume there’s a directional graph with edges labeled as “visited”. what linkedin is offering is to traverse it backwards for a fee. what they’re demanding is ludicrous. pure entitlement that would have horrible ramifications for all social media platforms. should a gdpr export include who has unliked/unreposted your posts too? it definitely pertains to you.

> it doesn’t pertain to you until you pay

Respectfully, that's bollocks. The data, by itself, either does, or it does not. Exchange of unrelated money does not change anything in the data itself. IOW, it's the data that matters, not a wannabe-service that is pitched to the rightful owners.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. They have such a strong argument here, too. I can imagine that whoever came up with this is very pleased with theirselves, and rightfully so.

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it is a very American concept, that company interests should be placed above human interests and rights.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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You think standing in for people's rights against the profit interests of transnational corporations means "making life difficult"? Whose life exactly? That of the CEO of Microsoft?

> Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. Literally the comment I replied to.

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Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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it is a very American concept, that company interests should be placed above human interests and rights.

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a generic "europe bad" comment doesnt deserve much more than a generic "america bad" comment as a reply
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