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Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by coldtea »

munksbeer wrote: post #230
coldtea wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd take the 90s, 80s, 70s or 60s anytime, just gimme that magic time travel option. You know what, even the 00s would be fine.

Yes, recency bias.

Nope, raw "actually good balance of stuff I like and stuff I don't like in those decades" pragmatism.

I could not give less fucks for having AI and smartphones and most other stuff, including all the fancy new medical procedures which are barely incremental.

Fridges, basic 90s-style internet and mini-skirts and welfare, and cheap housing, and jobs-a-plenty, more affordable healthcare, and the lifestyle, I can use just fine!

And I'd avoid the Plague or feudal times too. Including the techno-feudal times of today.

Pretend people can't have periods they'd be fine to live again and might prefer to today is bullshit.

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Post by pona-a »

stevenlangbroek wrote: post #202
pona-a wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pangram agrees with you. About 25% of the text trips the detection threshold, mostly towards the later half. I don't want to make any accusations, just give some evidence to the above comment.

I have bad news for you...

Believe me or not, that's good news for me. I actually really enjoyed your writing, and I'm glad that feeling wasn't misplaced. I'm sorry if my remarks came across as mean-spirited...

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by JKCalhoun »

The sentiment of the article is spot on. I retired four years ago and it had already been going down hill for over a decade at that point. But…

The but is simply to remind people that programming can still be fun. Programming as a career? Not really.

If you don't believe me, that programming is still fun, go do some programming for your own personal project. (Still fun.)

(But, yeah, so glad to have left. I recall toward the end of my career, a coworker and I having lunch in Apple Park and sitting there, lost in thought watching a gardener tending the plants and trees in the center of the "park". When my co-worker started to say something about the gardener I knew instantly where his thoughts had also been going and what he was going to say next.)

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by stevenlangbroek »

munksbeer wrote: post #228
stevenlangbroek wrote: post #218

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So? We produce enough food for 10 billion people every year, there's only 8 billion of us and a billion are hungry. Those seem like legible KPIs for shareholders (i.e. humanity) to pursue, no? And while World GDP is up, it's come at the expensive of the systems we depend on. I want my son to live on a livable planet, and not under the constant threat of destitution. And I want that for all children, not just mine.

Everyone wants that. But people on this thread are arguing that technology is reducing our standard of living, which is just factually untrue.

Depends on who & what you ask. Aggregates hide important nuance. For who? At what cost to who? Do the people who bare the cost have a say? Would they agree that it's worth it? What's their life worth?

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by Izkata »

boogierobis wrote: post #217
63stack wrote: post #174

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The first 3 hits on any search engine weren't relevant?

What I was going to ask as well, seems that people are getting dumber by the day.

At least in English, this appears to be slang that only recently leaked out of its original context. I've never heard the term before and whatever they used to look it up probably had no results.

The usual English term is "mid-level".

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Post by Waterluvian »

viccis wrote: post #101
doug_durham wrote: post #67

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You can absolutely capture the value of your additional productivity. Strike out on your own. Start your own company or consulting firm. That has always been the answer. Why would you think it would be any different now?

"Ah you textile workers are so whiny. If you're mad at your jobs being obsoleted by massive machine factories, why not just buy a few dozen such factories? Strike out on your own." Yeah man I don't know if mommy and daddy are paying your rent and healthcare (as I often see from people with this attitude). Or maybe you're one of the 45 year old tech workers whose mid life crisis involves a music project no one will li…

True. I wasn’t born American so there is that. I have some of the lesser promoted freedoms like getting to think critically about if this is what I really want to be doing in life.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by lproven »

63stack wrote: post #174
lproven wrote: post #164

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> Im a medior I do not know that word. I looked it up and found nothing helpful. What does it mean, and what do you mean? Also, may I ask you to use more punctuation and things like currency symbols, because your message lacks so much context I can't even guess.

The first 3 hits on any search engine weren't relevant?

No, they weren't. They told me an awkward neologism for someone who isn't senior and isn't junior, and that means that neither they nor the original message tell me mid-level what.

So, no, they were not, or I would not have asked.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by thrance »

Waterluvian wrote: post #50

I’m trying to piece together a thought. Is it right if my employer wants to “own” the gain in productivity from these tools? I’m being paid the same. I’m still doing 40 hours. The huge gains in productivity are not mine to enjoy, it seems.

Careful, you're dangerously close to rediscovering Marxism.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

bluegatty wrote: post #48
yoyohello13 wrote: post #44

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He really put in to words what I’ve been feeling lately. I love programming and I’m quite good at it, but this industry is a cesspit. I’ve already decided to go back to school to get one of those ‘real’ jobs. I’m tired of working in an industry hell bent on the destruction of society.

'The industry' is not hellbent on destroying society - this is just so unhinged it's hard to know how to make of it.

"industry' is not hellbent on destroying society"

Think you are missing the point.

It is not an actual back room with dudes twirling their mustaches with concrete plans to destroy the world.

It is the 'profit motive' that forces a thousand small decisions, that you go along with because you have a mortgage to pay.

And all added up they destroy the world.

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