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Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by stevenlangbroek »

113 wrote: post #170
01100011 wrote: post #92

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Society doesn't owe me over $500k/year for writing some instructions in a cryptic specification language. It's cool that I've been getting that, but I consider that luck and circumstance. When robots take my job I'll go find something else to do. I'm not going to blame evil rich people or some other boogieman.

You are the rich people.

No, there's a difference between doing well for yourself and exploiting the labor of others to capture stupendous amounts of excess capital, then reinvesting part of that to make even more.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by stevenlangbroek »

stackghost wrote: post #43
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #37

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Autor surely always could be journalist. He can write a exceptional story.

Yeah, I fancy myself a decent writer but I am not anywhere close to this good. Very engaging, you can tell they're writing from the heart.

Keep writing please! Where can I find your writing?

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Post by pona-a »

grvdrm wrote: post #15
pona-a wrote: post #5

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If it’s Claude - I’d love to see the prompts. This doesn’t read like AI to me. Lots of active voice. Shorter sentences. Not saying those are signals of human writing but in my experience AI writing is verbose.

26% isn't high and it's concentrated towards the end, so it could be the author just used it to revise some later paragraphs.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by pona-a »

tyg13 wrote: post #7
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26% AI generated? What does that even mean? How is Pangram arriving at that figure?

26% of the sentences tripped the detection threshold for their classifier. That isn't a detection probability on the entire text.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by pona-a »

redfloatplane wrote: post #152
quxbar wrote: post #36

I don't agree with everything this piece concludes, but I do admire getting to read through a whole HN article without feeling the sheen of AI co-authorship.

It’s funny you say that as about halfway through I was beginning to wonder if this was at least Claude-edited. Absolutely no shade to the author meant, I think it’s a thoughtful article, but I _did_ feel the sheen of AI co-authorship. It raises the question of how much text I have read that I did not realise was LLM-generated. I think I have a decent nose for it but I’m not perfect, there must be false negatives (and…

Pangram agrees with you. About 25% of the text trips the detection threshold, mostly towards the later half.

I don't want to make any accusations, just give some evidence to the above comment.

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Post by asoderlind »

Very well written article, joy to read, which is getting more rare these days.

Also I think it's always worth repeating the risk of losing long-term institutional knowledge when opting for AI as an explicit replacement for junior devs. Another tragic case of short-term gains prioritized over long-term success.

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Post by ironmagma »

hparadiz wrote: post #154
ironmagma wrote: post #143

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Most of modern society is new in history; what is that supposed to say? If you are making the point that it's unproven and fragile, that would be a good point and actually one that supports "woe is me" because all of it could disappear overnight considering the fragility.

In my lifetime I have watched SPARC SUN Servers being thrown in the trash, spaghetti coded javascript and php run fortune 500s, the linux kernel adding containers, and everyone now being required to know how to code for CI so they can rerun tests, linters, and rebuild their app on every commit and publish it to an S3 bucket with specific IAM permissions tied to some SSO IAM provider. At no point in any of that was an…

Doctors have to undergo minor professional development refreshers — not replace their entire education. There is a reason we educate early in life; it's hard to retrain the old (and expensive or even approaching impossible).

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by coldtea »

>AI didn't take our jobs. Greed did.

Sure. But when it comes to coding, even greed couldn't do it without AI. At best it could outsource, still giving it to humans.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by larodi »

maweki wrote: post #118
01100011 wrote: post #92

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Society doesn't owe me over $500k/year for writing some instructions in a cryptic specification language. It's cool that I've been getting that, but I consider that luck and circumstance. When robots take my job I'll go find something else to do. I'm not going to blame evil rich people or some other boogieman.

> Society doesn't owe me over $500k/year No it doesn't. But as a human being, you and everybody still deserves a decent living. And our current system clearly does not provide that for a lot of people.

How come is anyone "entitled" to a decent living? I don't think this holds evolutionary, nor from historical perspective. It is commendable for a person to want to think that everyone deserves it, but I don't see it follow from anything or manifest in general in a fair way. There are plenty of examples that people are very likely going to be deprived of even whatever they deserved by means of struggling to get it.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by sylware »

Computer languages cannot be trusted, even from ISO. You may have a chance with a simple preprocessor and simple assembler.

Don't forget, for most software out there, but not all, its development time is ridicoulus compared to its life cycle.

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