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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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There are plenty of FSD failure examples on YouTube too. I don't think you can draw conclusions from that. Especially because FSD isn't actually driverless yet, unlike Waymos.

FSD clocked in 10billion miles, not in some geofenced playground mind you. You should be able to share some videos?

There are literally hundreds. Just search for "FSD fail". This one's great.

https://youtu.be/frGoalySCns

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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FSD clocked in 10billion miles, not in some geofenced playground mind you. You should be able to share some videos?

There are literally hundreds. Just search for "FSD fail". This one's great. https://youtu.be/frGoalySCns

I remember this. Driver posted telematics where it clearly shows he turned right into ditch.

Next?

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Visit if you can, and take some bullet trains! We had a blast last year there.

Shanghai was great in the 2010s. Seems like a different place today. Are the bullet trains making enough to pay down construction debt yet? My understanding is that that has been a struggle, which is going to be a problem when they get past being new and start having more and more maintenance expense on top of paying back construction debt.

I cannot compare with 2010 since it was my 1st time but I liked Shanghai.

Chongqing too!

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That would be quite the change, considering they don't really allow any outsiders to become citizens.

Does it matter? If a permanent resident class exists (de facto is fine, if not legal), what would those folks be missing out on that citizenship would confer? You can’t legalize your way to cultural assimilation, and it’s not like the CCP would tolerate a meaningful vote.

> You can’t legalize your way to cultural assimilation

And that's why we are unlikely to see mass immigration allowed in China. They know that and can see what has happened and is happening in Europe and are thus likely to protect themselves. That's not my opinion but what Chinese think if you can discuss openly with people there.

This is a puzzling badly-received point of view here, but I think Europe and its official narrative that are actually the odd ones out globally.

China is investing a lot in automation and they already have state of the art automated factories. I think this will be the way forward for them and everyone (birth rates are dropping everywhere).

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>>Complete demographic destruction In what way? Immigrants, even in France, are a tiny minority. How do you feel that your demographics have been "completely" destroyed?

>Immigrants, even in France, are a tiny minority

I said "demographic", nothing about the legal concept of immigration/citizenship.

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> China is where the US was 75 years ago Quite a wild claim

It's the progression of countries from agriculture economies to service economies. 1950's US was a manufacturing powerhouse with almost entirely in house supply chains and with heavy public infrastructure drives, not at all unlike China today. But trust me, all those people working in poor conditions for cheap pay in China will do everything they can to ensure their kids don't work those jobs. And just like the US, t…

A country is more than just its manufacturing industry.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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AFAIU, import duties aren't really something you're necessarily "charged" as much as it's something you have a legal obligation to pay. Sure, maybe you could buy a car in Canada and bring it in to the US without paying the tariffs... we call that smuggling.

It's hardly smuggling if there is no process to collect the duties from you. Are you meant to walk into a random local government office and hand them a bunch of cash and say "i think i owe you this" ?! What if it's a used car, not new, what's the tariff then? I can't believe there is no process to collect it if you import it just by driving across the border.

>>> walk into a random local government office and hand them

That is exactly how it works. You go to the customs and hand them bunch of filled papers to proceed with customs clearance procedure.

Also you cannot simply import a car to USA, unless it is for a "demo" purposes or 25+ y.o.

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Free market does not exist

Or rather, it exists briefly until it is naturally captured by the biggest players.

There is always some industry thats favored by gov due to good reasons.

Military, food, energy, etc.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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There are literally hundreds. Just search for "FSD fail". This one's great. https://youtu.be/frGoalySCns

I remember this. Driver posted telematics where it clearly shows he turned right into ditch. Next?

I enjoyed this one.

https://youtube.com/shorts/iGGZGNIpVmM

I'm sure there are reasonable explanations for some of them (just like with Waymo). There really are lots though.

Do you have a link though? Because I could only find articles about the initial incident; nothing about telematics he posted. The driver's name is Wally apparently which makes searching easier...

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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I saw this recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_fJJxMjn4 TL;DR Byd is amazing and fatally flawed. The details are too much to place here.

It was a good watch but I don't think there is too much detail to put here. BYD has a lot more debt than they're claiming and their growth was subsidized by the Chinese government in order to buy market share.
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