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Re: Ads on Apple Maps

#21

Post by spiderfarmer »

tokarf wrote: post #19

From Apple's website: "we don’t need to know a lot about you to deliver a great experience on Apple Maps." -> so you still need to know a little about me ? "Even if you choose to sign in, Maps keeps your data in sync across all your devices using end-to-end encryption — so where you go isn’t associated with your Apple Account at all." -> looks like magic, data is synced accross all your devices but without using your…

> For shop owners buying ads, they'll still need to provide statistics of view, clicks and conversions and that needs tracking. So that's not different from google.

The difference is in how the data is handled. One is using it as an asset to update the FBI-like file they have on you. The other is treating it like a hot potato.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

#22

Post by Razengan »

tokarf wrote: post #19

From Apple's website: "we don’t need to know a lot about you to deliver a great experience on Apple Maps." -> so you still need to know a little about me ? "Even if you choose to sign in, Maps keeps your data in sync across all your devices using end-to-end encryption — so where you go isn’t associated with your Apple Account at all." -> looks like magic, data is synced accross all your devices but without using your…

> Apple claims to be the champion of privacy

While letting Facebook, TikTok and others secretly track you for years, across devices AND DEVICE REINSTALLS, through Apple's iCloud Keychain API, to store data that users cannot see or delete on iOS, except through the macOS Keychain app, and even then it's dubious if that's all that's actually stored.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

#24

Post by pixelesque »

batiudrami wrote: post #8
RickS wrote: post #4

heh. Could the apple maps team ever be paid a higher compliment? They really, truly, made it. I remember 15 years ago when apple maps was an absolute laughingstock that couldn't hold a candle to the big guys. But look at them now. They made it genuinely good. It'd been my only map app for years until I downloaded google maps for a road trip and was perplexed by all the squares I didn't ask for telling me about Arby's…

Good for navigation, terrible for up to date business information (opening hours) and reviews. Google maps’ reviews aren’t great - everything is a 4.3 because they incentivised users to review business interactions they didn’t care about by paying them pennies in Google pay credit - but it will at least tell me reliably if a business is closed today or has shut down.

Google maps' business/shop/restaurent information is indeed a lot better than Apple maps / Yelp in the UK, however I've found here it relies on business owners to update that info, and so often has "orphaned" businesses / restaurants still in it that have closed months (sometimes more than 6) ago.

Sometimes there's a recent review saying that, but other times there's no indication at all.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by Jamesbeam »

From my experience Google Maps is the superior product. The only reason I kept using Apple Maps was because I wasn’t molested with ads.

Now that this will obviously change, why should I keep using Apple Maps? At least they should have kept it ad-free for people already paying a premium for their Apple One Premium subscription.

I have less and less incentives to stay in the Apple ecosystem, this is just another nail in the coffin.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by lloeki »

Razengan wrote: post #22
tokarf wrote: post #19

From Apple's website: "we don’t need to know a lot about you to deliver a great experience on Apple Maps." -> so you still need to know a little about me ? "Even if you choose to sign in, Maps keeps your data in sync across all your devices using end-to-end encryption — so where you go isn’t associated with your Apple Account at all." -> looks like magic, data is synced accross all your devices but without using your…

> Apple claims to be the champion of privacy While letting Facebook, TikTok and others secretly track you for years, across devices AND DEVICE REINSTALLS, through Apple's iCloud Keychain API, to store data that users cannot see or delete on iOS, except through the macOS Keychain app, and even then it's dubious if that's all that's actually stored.

I'm not sure I follow, presumably if these are using the Keychain API they're doing so via the app, to which you must be logged in, so they are already tracking you and the keychain thing achieves... nothing?

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by bitpush »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #21
tokarf wrote: post #19

From Apple's website: "we don’t need to know a lot about you to deliver a great experience on Apple Maps." -> so you still need to know a little about me ? "Even if you choose to sign in, Maps keeps your data in sync across all your devices using end-to-end encryption — so where you go isn’t associated with your Apple Account at all." -> looks like magic, data is synced accross all your devices but without using your…

> For shop owners buying ads, they'll still need to provide statistics of view, clicks and conversions and that needs tracking. So that's not different from google. The difference is in how the data is handled. One is using it as an asset to update the FBI-like file they have on you. The other is treating it like a hot potato.

Are you suggesting apple is handing out user days to advertisors? That sounds strictly worse than the other option

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by xuki »

lloeki wrote: post #26
Razengan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple claims to be the champion of privacy While letting Facebook, TikTok and others secretly track you for years, across devices AND DEVICE REINSTALLS, through Apple's iCloud Keychain API, to store data that users cannot see or delete on iOS, except through the macOS Keychain app, and even then it's dubious if that's all that's actually stored.

I'm not sure I follow, presumably if these are using the Keychain API they're doing so via the app, to which you must be logged in, so they are already tracking you and the keychain thing achieves... nothing?

The keychain data of an app on iOS is NEVER removed from your device, unless you completely wipe the device. This has been the behavior since the beginning.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by haritha-j »

I was really impressed with Apple offering reasonably priced hardware of late, like the Neo. Now I see why. They're transitionaing away from the making money off of hardware phase, and into the making money off of you phase.

Re: Ads on Apple Maps

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Post by xdertz »

haritha-j wrote: post #29

I was really impressed with Apple offering reasonably priced hardware of late, like the Neo. Now I see why. They're transitionaing away from the making money off of hardware phase, and into the making money off of you phase.

Every company realising it is more profitable to milk their customers every day instead of just once.
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