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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by 2dvisio »

jonathanlydall wrote: post #307
2dvisio wrote: post #267

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Own the sealion 7. It is feature full, and don’t want to crush your dreams, but i would trade that killer unreliable adaptive cruise control and lane assist with a (missing?!) simple speed limiter 100 times over

I don’t mind the honesty. Price is so good that even if it’s a little lacking in this regard, I’ll probably still be very happy as a lot of the features are just a bonus. Important for us was that it’s bigger as we have two growing kids, and that it is essentially an electric that we can plug in to charge. I’ve only ever used simple cruise control on my CVT Fit and before that on a manual. On the BYD test drive (on m…

I was just referring to specifically the cruise control which seems useful only in traffic conditions. As soon as the road gets a bit cleared up it has a tendency to accelerate too much, and a bit too eagerly.

But we have similar conditions, 2kids and in need of space and Sealion 7 won over many other EVs for number of features, platform, and especially price.

The OTA updates are quite regular and for us one fixed a bug that did not let the doors lock entirely when the car was off.

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Post by waterhouse »

culi wrote: post #358
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In the US it's practically a right of passage to be a young adult and very vocally hate the country, hate the government. In China you don't have a life in front of you if you do that.

Try browsing Chinese social media (WeChat, Douyin, Weibo, etc). The internet is ripe with non-anonymous criticism of the gov't People often point to the take down of Winnie the Pooh memes as censorship but I don't think people realize there's a long history of racist groups using Pooh as a slur about Asian people and Tigger about black people. The meme exploded in popularity from a picture of Obama and Xi being compa…

So is it your position that, when the Chinese government imposes takedowns or worse on Chinese people posting Winnie the Pooh stuff, it's primarily because the Chinese government is opposed to anti-Asian racism?

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Post by gambiting »

BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #338
gambiting wrote: post #290

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>>Mass immigration in Europe and its effects. Can you name a few of these effects that China sees as crazy?

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>>Complete demographic destruction

In what way? Immigrants, even in France, are a tiny minority. How do you feel that your demographics have been "completely" destroyed?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

I never really expected the USA to allow low tariff Chinese car imports since China has been very protective of their own car market over the last couple of decades. I did expect BYD to set up some factories in the USA (or Canada Mexico when NAFTA was still a thing) to make their EVs for the American markets (should be affordable in a third world state like Mississippi), just like the Japanese auto manufacturers did. It’s sad that we aren’t getting that anytime soon.

America has simply forgot how to build real things on a schedule and on a budget. Our only real niche now is software (with help from Indian and Chinese talent) and locked down tech that China will eventually figure out. It’s very hard to not be pessimistic about the direction the USA is going and I can see why people elected someone horrible like Trump (he promised a way out, even if it was a stupid way out that would never work).

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

fusslo wrote: post #63
throwaway_7274 wrote: post #20

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I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills. They say they're worried when the building stops. Even more people will be out of jobs. And when the nation age…

But we’ve seen this already in Japan, and it kind of worked out for them? Yes, they didn’t become the richest country in the world like everyone predicted in the 80s, they have stagnated a bit, but life there is still pretty good.

I’ve been visiting China since 1999 (and lived there for around 10 years). Rapid progress, lots of investments, over investment (ghost districts and ghost cities) are inevitable, but after its all over they will still have an advanced economy with lots of opportunities.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

cromka wrote: post #110
fusslo wrote: post #63

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I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills. They say they're worried when the building stops. Even more people will be out of jobs. And when the nation age…

China will likely become the go-to place for immigrants within couple decades. Just like any other developed economy had.

China had way more immigrants a decade ago, or even 25 years ago, than it does today. They have been opening up and then closing again for a while now, I think they found that they don’t really need many immigrants, if any, to develop. They aren’t going to become immigrant dependent like the west, at best it will be more like Japan where immigrants fly under the radar (literally, having African work crews out at night so the locals don’t notice).

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Post by watwut »

phainopepla2 wrote: post #104
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> the CCP can end BYD in a single weekend Seeing the way tech companies behave makes me think they fear Trump the same way. for example, Tim Apple certainly crawls up Trumps arse.

I don't mean to downplay Trump's strongarming of industry or the obsequiousness shown by tech leaders, but let's be real, it's not remotely the same level of control.

Biden and Obama did not had remotely same level if control. And they would be checked by court.

Trump has that control and supreme court will support his project 2025 consistently.

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Post by watwut »

bdangubic wrote: post #165
1234letshaveatw wrote: post #119

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I prefer to take my chances on stagnation vs Chinese industrial hegemony

what has become of America where we are now scared shitless of China... oh well, i is what it is... America our ancestors built would have been like bring it on bitches and here we are "oh please, lets not let China in, our companies are subpar and we stand no chance against such a foe...

America was always like that. The posturing of "bring it on bitches" does not imply reality of it. Ameruca had that attitude when it was more developped then competition. Ot was protectionist when it was less developped.

And always used diplomacy and superpower status to push other countries into buying more american.

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Post by watwut »

dangus wrote: post #360
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> 1. Protecting your interests by building a dynamic strategy. "Dynamic" is doing a hell of a lot of work there. I guess what you mean is steal technology from the west, undercut pricing on foreign goods and dump products in their markets to destroy the competition, end up being the last one standing, because you freely violate trade agreements (as a member of the WTO) and other treaties. > " so they have developed t…

Your first point is ironic considering Western tech companies are being taken to court for training AI off of pirated intellectual property. I’m not trying to be pro-China but I think this idea that “stealing” technology is exclusive to China is naive. There’s a whole classic Silicon Valley story about the development of the GUI at Apple and Microsoft on the subject. Steve Jobs was furious with Bill Gates when Window…

> It’s easy to argue that Western IP laws result in oligopolies and monopolies forming as an inevitability.

Something about America is consistently leading to monopolies and oligopolies. Interestingly, Americans actually like it and brag about it.

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Post by Squarex »

sofixa wrote: post #237
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And even more an icon of european irrelevance. In Prague almost all EVs are Teslas. I see a BYD time to time. Škoda or Volkswagen almost never.

As a counterpoint, around 1/3 of EVs I see in France are Renaults. SImilar story, but a bit less evident, in Spain. Both have decent amounts of Hyundai Ioniqs, Teslas, and some BYDs and Dacias. But especially in France, Renault Meganes, 5s and now the 4 is everywhere. Don't forget that "Europe" is actually 30ish (if you count EU) or even more countries (if you count the continent), with wildly different markets and p…

Sure, it could be that in Czechia most EVs owners are still tech fans and they choose Tesla. BYD expands to the EU from the east, so it may overrepresentated here. Škoda apparently has decent electric sales in the Vokswagen group. Just anecdotally something like 80% EVs I see are Teslas.
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