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Re: Permacomputing Principles

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> In the end it's nerds messing with hardware. Am I being lazy or does this imply that all (or true) nerds are anarchist anti-capitalist feminists.

No. Some $x do $y does not imply that all/most/many/true $x do $y. It implies that some $x do $y.

Well, yes, but no. Hacker Community projects increasingly force political agendas on participants. It gets harder and harder to just do tech stuff without having to align with some cabal.

Re: Permacomputing Principles

#12
post #7

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One does not rule out the other. In the end it's nerds messing with hardware. Lots of computer culture is rooted in anarchism, anti-capitalism and a fight for fairness. E.g. early internet culture, the open source community. Imo it's very nice to see explicit anti-capitalist movements within tech, because the other side of tech is so completely over the top capitalist.

> In the end it's nerds messing with hardware. Am I being lazy or does this imply that all (or true) nerds are anarchist anti-capitalist feminists.

Yes, you're being lazy

Re: Permacomputing Principles

#13
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the end it's nerds messing with hardware. Am I being lazy or does this imply that all (or true) nerds are anarchist anti-capitalist feminists.

No. Some $x do $y does not imply that all/most/many/true $x do $y. It implies that some $x do $y.

Right. But "in the end" people who participate in "permacomputing" per the websites stated values represent a subset of nerds. I think the rebuttal we're commenting on oversimplifies this.

Re: Permacomputing Principles

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post #10
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One does not rule out the other. In the end it's nerds messing with hardware. Lots of computer culture is rooted in anarchism, anti-capitalism and a fight for fairness. E.g. early internet culture, the open source community. Imo it's very nice to see explicit anti-capitalist movements within tech, because the other side of tech is so completely over the top capitalist.

anti-capitalism, while a bit strange a lable, is something I can sympathize with. But once we are talking anarchism and (intersectional) feminism in a computing context, I am definitely out. I miss the time when computing was a lot less political. It was nice hacking on projects without having to identify with something totally unrelated, or being forced to support idiologies just to be a part of it.

If you at all understood any of those three things you would know that they are all closely related.

Re: Permacomputing Principles

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I have argued for a long time that Permacomputing will be seen as the missing part of the Free Software movement. What use is free software long term if you do not have hardware you can control, maintain and repair easily? This will mean a sacrifice in performance and functionality but gaining control and longevity.

With things like Secureboot, TPM modules and ever increasing demands to lock down systems, there is the risk that even libre software will be snuffed out. While not those technologies explicitly, similar less friendly things may come up in future. And when that happens, being beholden to billion dollar hardware companies won't seem so friendly. A little alarmist, but I didn't think we would be were we are today as it is.

One interesting area is about how to make software that is not hardware locked but easy enough to implement with very little work involved.

This is where projects such as UXN come in. https://100r.co/site/uxn.html

A system spec that is only 32 instructions deep, something that a single person could implement in less than a week. Essentially the hardest part is building the hardware Abstraction Layer. It wouldn't be efficient but it is very portable and thus makes it resilient to any future possible shocks.

Re: Permacomputing Principles

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post #10
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One does not rule out the other. In the end it's nerds messing with hardware. Lots of computer culture is rooted in anarchism, anti-capitalism and a fight for fairness. E.g. early internet culture, the open source community. Imo it's very nice to see explicit anti-capitalist movements within tech, because the other side of tech is so completely over the top capitalist.

anti-capitalism, while a bit strange a lable, is something I can sympathize with. But once we are talking anarchism and (intersectional) feminism in a computing context, I am definitely out. I miss the time when computing was a lot less political. It was nice hacking on projects without having to identify with something totally unrelated, or being forced to support idiologies just to be a part of it.

The web originally was way closer to anarchism and I really miss that. It was a cluster of self-organising communities, little to no intervention from the state, a lot was not profit driven. Same with IRC.

Re: Permacomputing Principles

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post #10
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One does not rule out the other. In the end it's nerds messing with hardware. Lots of computer culture is rooted in anarchism, anti-capitalism and a fight for fairness. E.g. early internet culture, the open source community. Imo it's very nice to see explicit anti-capitalist movements within tech, because the other side of tech is so completely over the top capitalist.

anti-capitalism, while a bit strange a lable, is something I can sympathize with. But once we are talking anarchism and (intersectional) feminism in a computing context, I am definitely out. I miss the time when computing was a lot less political. It was nice hacking on projects without having to identify with something totally unrelated, or being forced to support idiologies just to be a part of it.

> I miss the time when computing was a lot less political.

Whether such a time ever existed is debatable.

Here's a test. Define the period that you're imagining. Then investigate this period as a point in the history of computing with its broader sociopolitical contexts.

Somewhere in the midst of that milieu I reckon or the politics you're likely to be fond to mix with your tech projects.

Re: Permacomputing Principles

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post #11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Some $x do $y does not imply that all/most/many/true $x do $y. It implies that some $x do $y.

Well, yes, but no. Hacker Community projects increasingly force political agendas on participants. It gets harder and harder to just do tech stuff without having to align with some cabal.

Being apolitical just means your politics align with the status quo. Technology is inherently political in nature, because it affects society in material ways.
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