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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

triceratops wrote: post #380
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #376

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China can continue to rely on coal for energy independence also. We're seeing this as countries that depended on LNG started firing coal plants again with the Hormuz crisis in effect. As a strong believer in climate change, it's admirable that China is innovating in renewables, but it's not a prerequisite for energy independence. They're already facing anemic job growth and overbuilt infrastructure capacity. If the g…

> China can continue to rely on coal for energy independence also. At the cost of air quality. People are getting used to cleaner air. It's hard to go back. Also the more solar they use, the more coal they can keep around for emergencies. The sun is free energy. In 2025 China recorded a decline in generation from coal for the first time ever. [1] 1. https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/china/#data

> At the cost of air quality. People are getting used to cleaner air. It's hard to go back.

If that's the case, then why is the US going back on its renewables commitment?

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Post by michaelhoney »

titanomachy wrote: post #228
electriclove wrote: post #186

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Which country was this in?

Must be EU somewhere, never seen a Skoda anywhere else.

they're reasonably popular in Australia. They have done a good job of marketing their station wagons/estates to the road-biking community

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Post by threethirtytwo »

tptacek wrote: post #379
threethirtytwo wrote: post #94

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Another thing overtaking the US is average IQ scores. Both in the current baseline and in rate of change. US has been declining, China has been increasing. > This is to say nothing of the CCP and their record on human rights and free expression. To be very practical here… the lack of rights and freedoms as they exist in China typically has no consequence to the lives of individual people. For example you have no righ…

I see claims like this all the time on HN. Where is this data supposed to be coming from? When I look it up on Google, I get data ultimately sourced from shady online IQ tests (which nonetheless purport to provide a monotonic ranking of every country in the world from China to Nauru, despite the fact that virtually none of these countries collect IQ scores from their populations ). I have no reason to doubt that Chin…

It does exist. You take all iqs of people measured and you average it. Boom it exists.

As for iq by country all you need to do is google it. Many sources… all pretty aligned.

That being said lots of people in academia question the validity of these per country iq scores but that’s because they scored low from the aforementioned country in context.

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Post by tptacek »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #393
tptacek wrote: post #379

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I see claims like this all the time on HN. Where is this data supposed to be coming from? When I look it up on Google, I get data ultimately sourced from shady online IQ tests (which nonetheless purport to provide a monotonic ranking of every country in the world from China to Nauru, despite the fact that virtually none of these countries collect IQ scores from their populations ). I have no reason to doubt that Chin…

It does exist. You take all iqs of people measured and you average it. Boom it exists. As for iq by country all you need to do is google it. Many sources… all pretty aligned. That being said lots of people in academia question the validity of these per country iq scores but that’s because they scored low from the aforementioned country in context.

This is obviously, fatuously untrue. The problem has nothing to do with uncertainty about the validity of IQ. The problem is that most countries don't routinely administer IQ tests. I'm always struck by Americans who make this claim, given that virtually nobody in the US is ever asked to take a real IQ test.

I encourage you to cite the actual source you claim has authoritative "average IQ" scores broken down by country. According to you, they're readily available with a simple Google search. Fire away!

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Post by mindslight »

mrexcess wrote: post #386
phainopepla2 wrote: post #359

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This might be true for small companies, but it's delusional to think that Trump could unilaterally put an end to one of the major tech companies. It would be a huge legal, political and financial battle, at a minimum. Either you're overestimating Trump's power or underestimating the power of the tech companies.

Given the Trump administration’s actions against private industry from TikTok, to Anthropic, to a hundred other examples from auto makers to air conditioning manufacturers, is it fair to deem it delusional to think he might possibly succeed? Good luck suing the White House, sovereign immunity basically makes this impossible in most cases.

While sovereign immunity is a problem in and of itself that must be reformed, the real problem here is the illegitimate supplicants on the Supreme Council.

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Post by mindslight »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #206
vkou wrote: post #123

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Some countries have stronger rule of law protections and social customs that enforce them, but the US has been on a speed run to dismantle all of them in the past year.

I think we've just been on a speed run to refresh our collective memory why we do things/have the systems we have/the rules/laws we have. I am hopeful it will cause a civic improvement long term at the expense of a very high cost that was not worth it. But we've been on a long course of removing civics/western civ classes from school/requirements so this is the alternative, to relive the reasons for why we do things…

Even when we "refresh our memory", all of the longstanding problems that led to the blind destructive anger are still going to exist. So at best we will have refreshed our memory to a state of conservatism [0] where we just accept all of those problems as not too bad. Plus honestly do you think the people that voted for (and continue to support!) Trump really value intellectual honesty or have any kind of memory? Four years is all it took for them to "forget" what a disaster his first term was. The only things I see coming down the line are more rationalization and scapegoating.

[0] actual conservatism, not the dishonest use of the label by reactionaries/fascists to cover for their radical agenda

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Post by willio58 »

hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

In some ways it’s sad to see, but I’d be lying to say I didn’t have a little happiness seeing the actions of politicians in the U.S. catch up with them.

It’s like there was this belief, we are the most powerful country in the world and we can do whatever we want. Meanwhile we see countries very much question that as we flounder in the Middle East for the umpteenth time in a few decades. We see countries start to get away from the dollar, we see countries call out our military leaders for poor planning.

It’s not like the American public deserve this, but America itself might.

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Post by TulliusCicero »

mghackerlady wrote: post #283
consumer451 wrote: post #268

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I mean, that's the marketing material. Once Xi declared himself emperor for life, that marketing material fell apart a bit, didn't it? How is modern China even close to theoretical "communism?" It's certainly not Marxist, right?

it follows marxist principles and is building towards communism, which isn't overnight. It's currently in a socialist stage. Also, Xi is closer to the captain of a ship rather than an absolute monarch. He has a lot of power, yes, but that's because the party trusts him, not because he demands it

> It's currently in a socialist stage.

No it's not. It's in a state capitalist stage.

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Post by Markoff »

fusslo wrote: post #63
throwaway_7274 wrote: post #20

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I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills. They say they're worried when the building stops. Even more people will be out of jobs. And when the nation age…

>I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills.

You have all of that (huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills) also in Europe MINUS the Chinese progress, your co-workers are clearly biased

but for other perspective - I lived in China 5+ years, left in 2016, I returned for 3 weeks vacation/family visit last summer and honestly I didn't see that many changes as you would expect, in China in 9 years you would expect pretty much different country by previous standards, but I was like "meh", hardly any changes beside few more EVs on the road (even there I was disappointed, Beijing clearly ain't Shenzhen, maybe 25-35% cars on the road and I am including hybrids as well), bunch of new subway lines and skyscrapers, but nothing mindblowing, it was actually quite underwhelming, people still smoke in restaurants (and policemen in police station right under No smoking sign), still noise and mess on (some) streets, even more street markets (gentrification) closed, on the positive note thanks to crappy economy and zero inflation or maybe even deflation salaries are same and prices remained same (you can rent apartment for like 200EUR in Beijing suburbs), I can't imagine having pretty much same price for meal after 9 years in European restaurant

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