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Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by bluegatty »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #54
bluegatty wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'The industry' is not hellbent on destroying society - this is just so unhinged it's hard to know how to make of it.

There is a quote that goes something like "The purpose of any system is whatever it does." Whatever any system does, it's someone's intention that it does so. It's like an unavoidable truism. You can't say anything that gets around it.

Great. The system does what it does.

It's not 'destroying society'.

Not remotely in, any sense.

Many people seem to like Facebook. It's not really not causing harm, they are a minor nuisance at worst ... that you can avoid by ... not using it.

Open AI makes AI that you can use to do whatever.

That's mostly it.

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Post by doug_durham »

It sounds like the author shouldn't be in tech. For many, perhaps most of us programming is joy. It's why we started in our teens and have continued for 40 years. This is just a cynical post that adds no new value. We didn't kill the junior training mechanism. Juniors are still hired in the 100's thousands every year. There are valuable things to be said about the impact of AI. This isn't one of them.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by bluegatty »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #52
bluegatty wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'The industry' is not hellbent on destroying society - this is just so unhinged it's hard to know how to make of it.

True, I should have said an industry that will trample on anything that stands in the way of its pursuit of money.

It's not doing those things.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by christianqchung »

stevenlangbroek wrote: post #56

oh shit haha hey y'all. i'm blown away. also my site is blown away, y'all killed my cloudflare account. maybe go to your room and think about what you did.

Great post, thank you. At least AI won't reach this level of story quality for the foreseeable future.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by bluegatty »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #58
bluegatty wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't like to go against everyone but this not particularly well written. It's a long winding absurdist metaphorical tale, that is really more or less a rant. It's not particularly well grounded. It's a nice piece of personalized fiction, but it's not particularly good writing and nothing approaching what we'd think of as 'journalism'.

It's not absurdist. It's shining a light on something that actually exists and is absurd.

It only 'shines light' on the mental disposition of the author.

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Post by doug_durham »

Waterluvian wrote: post #50

I’m trying to piece together a thought. Is it right if my employer wants to “own” the gain in productivity from these tools? I’m being paid the same. I’m still doing 40 hours. The huge gains in productivity are not mine to enjoy, it seems.

You can absolutely capture the value of your additional productivity. Strike out on your own. Start your own company or consulting firm. That has always been the answer. Why would you think it would be any different now?

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by cube00 »

bluegatty wrote: post #49
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Autor surely always could be journalist. He can write a exceptional story.

Don't like to go against everyone but this not particularly well written. It's a long winding absurdist metaphorical tale, that is really more or less a rant. It's not particularly well grounded. It's a nice piece of personalized fiction, but it's not particularly good writing and nothing approaching what we'd think of as 'journalism'.

I could have done without the five paragraphs of the ship analogy.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by at-fates-hands »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #44
fooqux wrote: post #27

> AI didn't take our jobs. Greed did. Same greed that moved factories to Bangladesh and keeps slaves in cobalt mines in the Congo, wearing a new mask. Tell the nephew to do something else. Anything. It won't save him either, but at least he won't have to pretend the thing destroying his life is a robot. This hit me hard. This article is art. I think I need to sleep on this and read it again in the morning.

He really put in to words what I’ve been feeling lately. I love programming and I’m quite good at it, but this industry is a cesspit. I’ve already decided to go back to school to get one of those ‘real’ jobs. I’m tired of working in an industry hell bent on the destruction of society.

>> I’m tired of working in an industry hell bent on the destruction of society.

People will argue this point. However, when I look at all the things that tech has done thinking it was going to improve society; when in fact, it did the exact opposite is hard to argue. AI is just another item on a very long list of dystopian markers that writers/musicians have warned us about for years.

The scary part now is people denying its happening right in front of them.

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