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The core OS underneath the glitzy pixels is a fine OS. Really, more than fine -- it's a /great/ OS, fantastic at asynchronicity and driver support. It has warts, but on the whole it was well thought out. (I've been working with OSes for 30+ years, starting with TOPS-10 and Unix in the late 70s. I have a little pedigree here). The stuff they put on top, not so much. I will probably wait years until I install anything…
I know a lot of creative professionals who would abandon OSX and WIN in a heartbeat if Adobe would release their software for Linux.
Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
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Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Am I the only person who thinks the lack of a start button and a 'traditional desktop' are non issues? The lack of a start button/desktop is not a usability issue in and of itself - it's everything else that makes it such a nightmare.
>The lack of a start button/desktop is not a usability issue in and of itself Tell that to non-technical users who have trouble remembering to use the start button when it's staring them in the face, they need that visual cue at the very least.
Which is exactly why the damn thing was useless to begin with.
Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#183Wow, looks like I'm the only person who actually likes this and disagree with several of the points from the article. First of all, you have problems finding your apps since they tool away your start menu? Get a simple, free app launcher like launchy or executor. Problem solved. I'm running an older Intel 1.8 processor with 4GB RAM on a 32 bit system. I've had several Adobe apps open at the same time without any issu…
"First of all, you have problems finding your apps since they tool away your start menu? Get a simple, free app launcher like launchy or executor. Problem solved." Again, that's not how usability works. You shouldn't expect regular human beings to hunt out and install third party software to help them launch applications!
Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#184This is all yawn inducing. I don't remember the last time we had this many articles on HN discussing an OS. All this "discussion" and criticism of Microsoft and Windows is 90% conjecture or very personal (read biased) opinions. I too have been using a Surface since launch and have been running Win8 Pro on my laptop since RTM, and guess what? I disagree with the OP. I highly recommend you go to a store and give it a t…
I try not to be too confrontational here, but in this case I'm probably going to have to. I would dearly love for Microsoft to release a killer OS, but so far as of yet I can't see any real compelling feature that I would be particularly interested in. Let's be honest here... if I have to do development work, then I'm not going to use Windows 8. I'll be using Windows 7.
Plus the new Windows runtime APIs looks very nice, and most are usable in desktop or metro apps.
Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet OS X, the OS that is lauded by many around here to have an excellent UX, has so many hidden controls that nobody could possibly remember them all. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343
I'm sorry, I don't follow.
The argument here was "well, if Apple can assume that users are going to learn a list of shortcuts, why can't Microsoft."
The answer is because the keyboard shortcuts on OS X are actually shortcuts, not required for using the operating system. The gestures Microsoft has incorporated in to Win8 are the only way of doing things, whereas I can do things a few different ways on OS X.
Let's stick with closing an app. Apparently the gesture is swiping from top to bottom on Win8. On OS X, I can do that by clicking the red button (arguably the most intuitive method), by going to the File menu, or the keyboard shortcut, Command-W.
Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#186Neilsen had 12 participants in his study and discovered quite major usability issues. I wonder if their internal testing came up with similar issues and now they are having an Emperor's clothes moment.
Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#1872) Whoever claims that Metro, the star feature of Windows 8, should simply be disabled as a response to near unanimous criticism is in no way qualified to discuss UI/UX.
Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#188Personally, I think "Metro/Modern UI" is a complete train wreck. While it initially received a great deal of praise from the tech press for being "unique" and "fresh", my suspicion is that a lot of the praise was incredibly shallow and based purely on aesthetic appearance and not usability. This suspicion has been confirmed repeatedly from my own experience using Windows 8 and watching others use it as well.
Usability studies of this sort almost always find tons of problems in anything that is new. For example, remember the iPad study by the same group?
For the last 15 years of Web usability research, the main problems have been that users don't know where to go or which option to choose — not that they don't even know which options exist. With iPad UIs, we're back to this square one.
But it's even worse, because look at the study participants: We tested 7 users — all with at least 3 months' iPhone experience — but only one was an "experienced" iPad user.
These were people who were well versed with the iOS UI already! And they still found the iPad hard to use! Did they really really find it hard to use? I doubt it. But that's how usability studies work. You have a short amount of time with new technology and are primed to find flaws in it. And your're primed to be unforgiving (just the nature of being in a study).
I recall being in school when cut & paste first started to go mainstream. The number of people who didn't find it or understand it would be considered bewildering now. Now its a common pattern. But it is pattern. No one complained they couldn't find it, but were happy when they did. And taught others.
All these things are patterns. Bring any non-trivial product into a lab: Chrome, iOS, AppleTV, Android, Windows 8, Boxee TV -- you'll find that people will struggle more than you think. But one thing you learn when you do usability work is that there's a distinction between discoverability and usability.
In my experience Win8 has some discoverability holes, but once you learn a few patterns its usability is quite good.
BTW, here's a review of the Surface for real people: http://betanews.com/2012/11/14/microsoft-surface-review-for-...
His summary? Surface is fantastic. Why the difference? If you are willing to spend an hour using it, rather than trying to note usability flaws, you'll find it a rather nice experience.
Jeff Atwood says, "I'm a little embarrassed to admit how much I like the Surface RT. I wasn't expecting a lot when I ordered it, but after a day of use, I realized this was more than Yet Another Gadget. It might represent a brave new world of laptop design." Jeff is someone not looking to score points by pointing out obscure design issues ala Marcos. He wants a device he can use. I think we'll see for this class of users (which is much larger than the Marcoses of the world) that they'll resonate with Atwood's take (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/11/touch-laptops.html).
Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#189Have been using a Surface as well as a Win8 desktop for a couple of weeks now, and I have to say this is pretty accurate. When WinPhone first came out with the Metro UI I was a fan - there's a visual simplicity to it that's very appealing. After you use it for a while though the weaknesses become pretty glaring and hard to accept. It is often very hard to tell what UI elements are interactive and what are purely info…
Re: Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users
#190Have been using a Surface as well as a Win8 desktop for a couple of weeks now, and I have to say this is pretty accurate. When WinPhone first came out with the Metro UI I was a fan - there's a visual simplicity to it that's very appealing. After you use it for a while though the weaknesses become pretty glaring and hard to accept. It is often very hard to tell what UI elements are interactive and what are purely info…
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