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#181

I remember when Ted Turner bought a scrappy Atlanta TV station, Channel 17. The channels refer to specific radio frequency allocations. Anything below Channel 12 is "Very High Frequency", and anything above that is "Ultra High Frequency". The Channel number was basically arbitrary, but went up in frequency in numerical order, so Channel 5 had a higher frequency than Channel 17. The higher the frequency, the shorter t…

>*Anything below Channel 12 is "Very High Frequency"

VHF covers up to and including channel 13

It's actually something people across the country may feel familiar with because "Channel 13" is New York City's PBS channel (WNET) and they export programming like Sesame Street out to PBS affiliates everywhere (not as much as WGBH in Boston, but a lot)

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#182

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Rightfully so if you ask me. Out the gate think about the implications of determining, say, skin color. I’m not saying “under no circumstances should it be done” but I also think people don’t appreciate the importance of the decisions made and the politics/implicit biases under the hood. I’m not even getting in to artistic intent and impact on lighting here either. Colorizing b&w images is still debated to this day.

Because of the film technology at the time, a lot of the skin tones on set wouldn't match what you'd expect anyway due to makeup designed for the b&w film. Lots of sickly greens, yellows, and blues in place of red tones for instance. https://www.bustle.com/articles/30501-i-tried-a-vintage-film... At that point if you've already decided you want to colorize the film, there's a real question of how do you approach it,…

Huh. That actually brings up a kind of modern parallel I hadn't thought of. A lot of action movies are done primarily, or in part, on greenscreen. The intent of using a greenscreen has nothing to do with what was captured, and more so to do with what is trying to be depicted; what ought be seen, not what is being seen by the actors and actresses.

It would be interesting to know if, in say, 100-200 years, there is some alternative technology that could de-render todays CGI perfectly, and then replace it with some alternative, perhaps insert some form of practical effect in a convincing way? Would being able to do so be better to do just because it can be done?

Like, suppose that one of the more recent big budget movies, Transformers or whatever, could entirely have all of the CGI stripped out of them instantly, and then be replaced with some form of "less fake" effects in a different way. Would it be good to do so, if that were possible? For me personally, I'm very much in favor of rubber suits and fake blood over sticks with ping pong ball overlayed with graphics. [1] In spite of my preference though, I don't know if however many hundreds of people who had worked the digital modeling for all of those scenes would appreciate essentially deleting all of the thousands of hours they had put into the movie.

Bringing that back to B&W films, I think that if someone was really excellent at doing the set design for B&W films, it makes me wonder how they might react if someone insisted on "fixing" the film by colorizing it, and showing their set pieces in a way that they never intended for those pieces to be seen by the audience. Like, if they weren't outright upset with even the idea of doing it at all, perhaps they might insist on some sort of creative control on how each of those set pieces were colorized and portrayed in the final product. Obviously, that would then extend out to all of the other things too, like wardrobe, makeup, etc. I could see the complexity ballooning out to be as complicated and involved as making the movie was to begin with! For example, maybe the guy that scouted the original location for the film wouldn't have chose the spots he had chosen if he knew that people would be able to see it on giant TVs that they could pause every single frame of, and perform all kinds of upscaling and digital zooms in and out on.

[1] I am firmly in favor of practical effects over digital for everything, except small technical errors like a boom mic or a coffee cup in a shot, because I think that the constraints a movie set faces will demand either: incredible innovative solutions by the crew, or, those constraints force directors to scale their vision back to something more contained and manageable. It helps to show where the scope creep for a movie is, and where it's simply unnecessary. For example, Jaws has a great backstory regarding the constant issues of the mechanical shark, it really forced Spielberg to rethink how and when the shark would be shown, and when it would be better to let the viewers mind fill in the blanks.

Re: Ted Turner has died

#183
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Wow. It wasn't until I read your comment that it clicked that the Turner in Turner Classic Movies is Ted Turner.

There was a bit of a furore when he tried colorizing old B&W movies… imagine if he’d had AI to do colorization, upscaling and sharpening back then! Guess we’ll still have Ted’s Montana Grills for a while…

I was wondering if they are going to put Ted's crayons in the box with him. At the time of this first being done it was so comically bad, and the jokes were ruthless. As much as I'm not a fan, the modern AI stuff is so much better without saying it's good. That's just how bad Turner's colorization was. The best colorization was Weta's footage from WWI where they used the actual uniforms in the images as reference rather than just someone adding color based on the feels.

Re: Ted Turner has died

#184

I remember when Ted Turner bought a scrappy Atlanta TV station, Channel 17. The channels refer to specific radio frequency allocations. Anything below Channel 12 is "Very High Frequency", and anything above that is "Ultra High Frequency". The Channel number was basically arbitrary, but went up in frequency in numerical order, so Channel 5 had a higher frequency than Channel 17. The higher the frequency, the shorter t…

> 1970s latchkey kid

I am now administering the secret '70s latchkey quiz:

   - Ricky, I want to be...
   - This is Jim Rockford...
   - Ladies, please don't...
   - Bingo, Bango, Bongo, and...
   - Missed it by...
   - We can rebuild...

Re: Ted Turner has died

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rightfully so if you ask me. Out the gate think about the implications of determining, say, skin color. I’m not saying “under no circumstances should it be done” but I also think people don’t appreciate the importance of the decisions made and the politics/implicit biases under the hood. I’m not even getting in to artistic intent and impact on lighting here either. Colorizing b&w images is still debated to this day.

Because of the film technology at the time, a lot of the skin tones on set wouldn't match what you'd expect anyway due to makeup designed for the b&w film. Lots of sickly greens, yellows, and blues in place of red tones for instance. https://www.bustle.com/articles/30501-i-tried-a-vintage-film... At that point if you've already decided you want to colorize the film, there's a real question of how do you approach it,…

> Because of the film technology at the time, a lot of the skin tones on set wouldn't match what you'd expect

It wasn't just skin tones. Wardrobe was picked for the resulting look on B&W film vs what it looked like in real life. Here's a pretty in depth article: https://www.screeningthepast.com/issue-39-first-release/desi...

Re: Ted Turner has died

#186

I remember when Ted Turner bought a scrappy Atlanta TV station, Channel 17. The channels refer to specific radio frequency allocations. Anything below Channel 12 is "Very High Frequency", and anything above that is "Ultra High Frequency". The Channel number was basically arbitrary, but went up in frequency in numerical order, so Channel 5 had a higher frequency than Channel 17. The higher the frequency, the shorter t…

> 1970s latchkey kid I am now administering the secret '70s latchkey quiz: - Ricky, I want to be... - This is Jim Rockford... - Ladies, please don't... - Bingo, Bango, Bongo, and... - Missed it by... - We can rebuild...

I got 4 out of 6 of them. How many of these were on Nick at Night so you wouldn't necessarily have to be a 70s latchkey kid?

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#187

#4 largest private land owner in the US: https://landreport.com/land-report-100#top-100 Wonder what's going to be done with it now that he's dead.

isn't that land part of a scheme to farm bison and save them from extinction? it would make sense for his will to specify that it keeps being used for this.

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How do you feel about Americans who go serve in the IDF, and avoid serving in the US military, and then come back to the US?

Indifferent. We're not at war against the IDF. Go and join the French Foreign Legion for all I care, so long as they're not fighting American forces.

Replying to myself: indifferent in the context of Americans committing what I consider to be traitorous acts against Americans. If you go join the IDF and shoot your way through Gaza, I'm going to think you're a POS. But I think you'll be a different kind of POS than Fonda was in Vietnam, which is the discussion at hand here.

Re: Ted Turner has died

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the film technology at the time, a lot of the skin tones on set wouldn't match what you'd expect anyway due to makeup designed for the b&w film. Lots of sickly greens, yellows, and blues in place of red tones for instance. https://www.bustle.com/articles/30501-i-tried-a-vintage-film... At that point if you've already decided you want to colorize the film, there's a real question of how do you approach it,…

Huh. That actually brings up a kind of modern parallel I hadn't thought of. A lot of action movies are done primarily, or in part, on greenscreen. The intent of using a greenscreen has nothing to do with what was captured, and more so to do with what is trying to be depicted ; what ought be seen, not what is being seen by the actors and actresses. It would be interesting to know if, in say, 100-200 years, there is so…

I think these are really interesting questions and I like a lot of what you’re saying. I don’t really agree with your near prohibition on CG, but I definitely get where it comes from and think that some productions definitely abuse it

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#190

> In 2010, Turner joined Warren Buffett's and Bill Gates's The Giving Pledge, vowing to donate the majority of his fortune to charity upon his death. Does The Giving Pledge still exist? Will this happen?

I suppose that only works if most of them join the pledge. Otherwise, you will be "disarming" unilaterally.

Nah, there's no legal force behind the pledge. It was always just a pinky swear.

It stopped giving the wealthy so much positive PR so a lot of them have simply stopped talking about it. Whether or not they still go through with it, who knows. I somewhat doubt they will.

The other problem people are quickly becoming aware of is that charities are ineffective ways to solve social problems. And, particularly for very wealthy and well connected people, the charities seem to be much more of a tax dodge with a glossy pamphlet rather than anything real.

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