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Re: Show HN: Explore color palettes inspired by 3000 master painter artworks

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I am currently looking for colour palettes and this website is of interest to me. Small snag, some UTF8 things are going on with some colour names, I am sure you know and have cursed accordingly. I like OKLCH colours and the ability to mix them in interesting ways using CSS things. This means I don't do hex codes for colours in CSS. I can translate though, however, soon some people will demand OKLCH, so you might as…

As you suggested OKLCH colour option is added now to the site. Thanks again.

Mighty impressed! You have done well by sharing your project 'warts and all' on HN. Thanks for listening, just that UX matter of 'loading next palette and you are good to go!

Re: Show HN: Explore color palettes inspired by 3000 master painter artworks

#84
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As you suggested OKLCH colour option is added now to the site. Thanks again.

Mighty impressed! You have done well by sharing your project 'warts and all' on HN. Thanks for listening, just that UX matter of 'loading next palette and you are good to go!

Thank you for kind words! The loading next palette feature is fixed also. You can check it whenever you have free time.

Re: Show HN: Explore color palettes inspired by 3000 master painter artworks

#86
I have a history of research in computational aesthetics with an emphasis on old master paintings. A few notes:

1. You have used the RGB hue wheel not the RYB hue wheel. The later defines the complementary pairs red/green, blue/orange, yellow/purple which are more useful for an artist when evaluating hue. To those who would say that the difference between RTGB and RYB complementaries is subjective, I would point out that the red/green, blue/orange, yellow/purple pairs have been known by artists since before Newton first expressed hue on a wheel.

2. I think it is fair to assume an artist has a consistent color pallet, but I'm not sure that a genre would.

3. User S0und has implied that paintings have changed too much from their point of creation for your work to be valid. For sure it is true that paintings have oxidized, accumulated multiple layers of dust-attracting varnish and been damaged by UV exposure. However, the relative difference between the colors they have used remains almost the same, and this is where the value of your work lays.

4. The key problem of visualizing the color of a painting is its dimensionality. A standard histogram does a super fine job at expressing the lightness value of an image. A radial hue histogram does the same for the hue/saturation. But there is no 2D graphical visualization that does both. Personally, I would go further and visualize separately the hue, saturation and lightness signatures of the artists. For most pre-modern painters, the lightness values closely mirrored their saturation values. Artists like Gericault and most of the Impressionists learned to separate them.

BTW... do you know this website?: https://www.webexhibits.org/pigments/intro/history.html

Re: Show HN: Explore color palettes inspired by 3000 master painter artworks

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I have a history of research in computational aesthetics with an emphasis on old master paintings. A few notes: 1. You have used the RGB hue wheel not the RYB hue wheel. The later defines the complementary pairs red/green, blue/orange, yellow/purple which are more useful for an artist when evaluating hue. To those who would say that the difference between RTGB and RYB complementaries is subjective, I would point out…

Great points! 1. I'll try to add RYB option for color harmony wheel 2. You are absolutely correct, there are no consistent palettes across genres, but I thought it will be interesting to see multitude of palettes artists use for the same genre 3. User S0und's observation about oxidized or decayed colors is very interesting, but even with muted, brownish colors these artworks still look amazing. 4. Any suggestion how can I add such color visualization across body of work of a given artist or a style?

Re: Show HN: Explore color palettes inspired by 3000 master painter artworks

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I have a history of research in computational aesthetics with an emphasis on old master paintings. A few notes: 1. You have used the RGB hue wheel not the RYB hue wheel. The later defines the complementary pairs red/green, blue/orange, yellow/purple which are more useful for an artist when evaluating hue. To those who would say that the difference between RTGB and RYB complementaries is subjective, I would point out…

I love the website about color pigment history - it explains a lot about some of the color choices artists made in different time periods. Thank you for sharing the link.

Re: Show HN: Explore color palettes inspired by 3000 master painter artworks

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I have a history of research in computational aesthetics with an emphasis on old master paintings. A few notes: 1. You have used the RGB hue wheel not the RYB hue wheel. The later defines the complementary pairs red/green, blue/orange, yellow/purple which are more useful for an artist when evaluating hue. To those who would say that the difference between RTGB and RYB complementaries is subjective, I would point out…

Great points! 1. I'll try to add RYB option for color harmony wheel 2. You are absolutely correct, there are no consistent palettes across genres, but I thought it will be interesting to see multitude of palettes artists use for the same genre 3. User S0und's observation about oxidized or decayed colors is very interesting, but even with muted, brownish colors these artworks still look amazing. 4. Any suggestion how…

> Any suggestion how can I add such color visualization across body of work of a given artist or a style?

I think that the best visualization of the colors of a painting is by using the painting itself.

In class I demonstrate lightness by first desaturating the work (or copy pasting the L in Lab). I then do a controlled posterize on the image - basically a stepped curve in Photoshop. I try to isolate the dark, middle and light. These are relative values that can often manifest as lumps in the histogram. Painters tend to be very deliberate in the way they organize them. This page explains what I am getting at:

https://rmit.instructure.com/courses/87565/pages/colour-ligh...

In my experience such posterizing is best done manually but AI might be able to do it.

Hue at saturation are more difficult for the simple reason that they are difficult to disengage from lightness.

Like lightness, saturation is generally organized according to low, middle and high. For most of art history, the saturation of a painting would closely follow its lightness. It was Gericault who separated them. Check out the saturation vs lightness of his Lobster painting for an example of this.

Hue is a beast. Sure, most paintings done before the impressionists are pretty unsaturated. But even Rembrandt would be careful to use a red brown against a green brown. Check out the Rembrandt image on this page to see this in action.

https://rmit.instructure.com/courses/87565/pages/colour-hue-...

I think that a radial histogram is the best way to visualize hue. This would show not only the hues but there relationship to each other on the RYB wheel and also there quantity. There should be a cut-off point for hue that is visible. In our work we established a cut off - all hues with very low saturation were ignored.

Hope this helps.

Re: Show HN: Explore color palettes inspired by 3000 master painter artworks

#90
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mighty impressed! You have done well by sharing your project 'warts and all' on HN. Thanks for listening, just that UX matter of 'loading next palette and you are good to go!

Thank you for kind words! The loading next palette feature is fixed also. You can check it whenever you have free time.

For my current pet project there is an abundance of sensible palettes, with the pet project being a home baking app for my uncle, who keeps meticulous records of so many things. The idea is that there is a 'baker's log' with recipes that can be amended until perfection is achieved.

I digress, back to HARSH criticism!!!

Playfair, Serif, in small sizes, I am not a fan. I can see why, and it works for H1 and H2, but, for those of us with elderly eyes, please can we have a sans-serif such as Inter, which does work on smaller sizes? Maybe A/B test that one, with the screen zoom level captured. My hunch is that I am not alone in having elderly eyesight and that people will be more engaged if they have an easier time of reading.

Next bit of harsh criticism - HTML standards. There does seem to be a use case for 'figure' and 'figcaption'. These work like the 2003 era 'div' and nobody cares about HTML, but why bother with HTML if everything is just divs nested in spans and divs?

In truth, 'div' is the element of last resort and not needed since we have joyful content sectioning elements such as 'section', 'article', 'aside' and much else. We also have a layout engine in CSS, as in CSS grid, and, in my experience, the 'div' is not helping. Code is just better when it is not a sea of divs, each with a gazillion class tags.

We have arrived at a situation where people just use 'div' because that was how grandpa wrote HTML when the iPhone came along and table layouts suddenly had to be 'responsive', as in bloated. We built whole departments around writing code badly with 'div' elements, with whole teams of micromanagers. On pet projects there is no need for any of this, plus you can do things like scoped CSS so there is no Firefox support, but also no need to torment oneself with CSS compiler things that create bloat and 'add to only' stylesheets.

But hey, none of this matters if everything works, which it does!

I also think you need some type of funnel to get people to the website in such a way that they come back. This might not matter to you, but, imagine you find this site, do you bookmark it, share a link with oneself, or what? There needs to be some type of hook, and bookmarks don't cut it these days. People want to Google Search for what they know.

One hook might be an upload feature, so you can upload many things. I like de Stihl artists from a century ago and some of them used paint that is still sold today. I also like old posters for British Raleigh bicycles and train posters from the period. The train posters were by commercial artists that made adverts, not art. Yet you still have some brilliant colours going on in their work.

Yes there are services for taking any image and making a palette from it, however, they haven't got the art. They can't do a 'goes with' feature, to show art that is in the user's colour scheme, from what they upload.

I am impressed by the colour naming, this is actually quite hard to write by oneself since you need to find something in a 3D search space. It seems to me that you have the hard stuff mostly solved but tinkering with the UI for stickiness is there to be done, ad nauseum.

Please don't take my HARSH criticisms unfairly, HN is the place for people to niggle, because some people like to cut the heads off others to feel taller, however, I am a genuine punter, and I have a bit more work to do before I get into the colour scheme, so I kind of need to be able to read things easily, remember where your website is and give it a proper go.

What might be useful is a palette export option in :root { CSS variables }, for example:

  :root {
    --color-a: #aabbcc;
    --color-b: #bbccdd;
    --color-c: #ccddee;
  }

  :root {
    --color-a: oklch(a, b, c);
    --color-b: oklch(b, c, d);
    --color-c: oklch(c, d, e);
  }
The vars could be named colours, where possible, so '--warm-caramel' and so on.

I still get the autoload of the next palette, mayb what you need instead is a good bit of doom scrolling, a.k.a. infinite scroll. That might be more engaging. I say this because my recipe app also needs infinite scroll for browsing purposes, so the user (my uncle) does not have to drill down to the recipes.

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