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Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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post #122

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Does it only count as an election if one’s favorite side wins?

What if neither side represents your interests? What "election" is there in that case?

There's more than two sides here. None of the 14 parties with >1 seat in parliament fully represents my best understanding of how to improve the country and world on any time scale (long or short), but quite a few of them come reasonably close and I would vote for them without much hesitation

(Heck, I wish there were fewer parties, like if five single-topic good parties (bij1 against racism, pirate party for internet freedoms, volt for international collaboration, party animals for environmental welfare, etc., plus greenworkersparty as the current overarching big boy) would band together, it'd be a much easier choice!)

That not every country is so lucky (not all of them have free elections, or elections at all) is a shame indeed, but at least for countries like mine I'd be much happier to have a government arrange a system than a tech corporation and foreign laws. Presuming that the 2-party system you speak of is the USA's, at least both corps are governed by your own laws, that's something!

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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post #57

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You would not last long in China ;) (you pay by scanning QR code in .. well, everywhere)

They don't like contactless technology or what? I don't think that scanning a QR code is significantly more involved but it's enough to be annoying

QR payments in china was already prevasive before contactless payments became prevasive in the west. And as others say: not all phones supported nfc at the time. Remember iBeacons on iP5? Wechat and Alipay was already everywhere by then

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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post #122

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Does it only count as an election if one’s favorite side wins?

What if neither side represents your interests? What "election" is there in that case?

Can you candidate yourself in that election?

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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post #8

The requirements for the mobile devices are listed here: https://support.google.com/recaptcha/answer/16609652 So it seems that you will need a modern Android device with Google Play Services installed or a modern iPhone/iPad to be allowed to browse the web in the future. No mention of device integrity verification yet, but the writing is on the wall.

I believe you'll also need bluetooth enabled on both devices. At least you do for those "scan this QR code displayed on your computer to authenticate using the passkey on your phone" feature, which this seems analogous to. Bluetooth is used to ensure that the two devices are actually physically co-located.

In passkeys the bluetooth is used for the actual authentication protocol...

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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post #122

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Does it only count as an election if one’s favorite side wins?

What if neither side represents your interests? What "election" is there in that case?

Simply live somewhere that doesn’t have a broken electoral system.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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Wow. So you will need a mobile device in future to browse the web, and Google will use mobile device identifier to de-anonymize you. And I assume they also carefully designed this to make life little harder for alternative search engines, their competitors. And probably they will not provide collected user data to competing advertising platforms to make them less competitive as well. Also the example is ridiculous, t…

I will stop using those websites altogether.

You know, its funny, I don't think I've ever seen captcha on HN once.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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But what's the alternative? Sites need a way to prevent bots overwhelming them, and there's no perfect way to distinguish real users from bots.

mCaptcha, ALTCHA, Cap, Friendly Captcha, Private Captcha, Procaptcha, Anubis... there are literally dozens of open source alternatives that aren't feeding the Do Be Evil company... not to mention all of the commercial alternatives - if for whatever reason, you do feel like paying for a service that costs nothing to offer

Gen off it. Fraud detection is nontrivial and requires ongoing effort. It’s reasonable for people to be compensated for that.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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post #8

The requirements for the mobile devices are listed here: https://support.google.com/recaptcha/answer/16609652 So it seems that you will need a modern Android device with Google Play Services installed or a modern iPhone/iPad to be allowed to browse the web in the future. No mention of device integrity verification yet, but the writing is on the wall.

I've been saying for years that it does not make sense to browse the web on a smartphone. Eventually things will get bad enough that people will agree with me.

“On an infinite timescale, I’m eventually right, so it never makes sense to not heed my advice” is silly. We’re all going to die eventually so it’s not worth browsing the web on any device.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

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post #62

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It's coming. The Poshmark morons demanded government id to buy a $35 shirt. On an established account, an address that matched my credit card, etc. The only answer is delete your account.

Why the hell would they care who is buying it? They're getting paid either way. The only reason they'd care is because they want to sell your personal information.

That is an incredibly long bow to draw from someone that obviously doesn’t know what they’re talking about and is willing to make massive jumps to conclusions. Do you know how ecommerce works? I agree that it is a bit absurd, but not nearly as absurd as your claim of “the only reason”.
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