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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Ive seen soo many BYD cars in the UK in the last year. I'm not in the market for a new car, but anyone who has looked recently what is the draw to BYD? Is it strictly value/price?

Yes, they are (were) significantly cheaper than similar western cars.

Have their share of problems thought. IIRC climate control is often subpar.

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A Chinese person who was here in the US as a foreign student once commented to me that he was so surprised that the United States was like the country side. He didn’t realize how rural the country was. This was at UCLA which is in LA which is the second biggest city in the US.

When friends visited NYC and we drove around a bit they said “it’s like everything is half finished”

Is that just because of the scaffolding on everything? IIRC that's due to some legal or tax bullshit.

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Who cares? China is revving up energy production in renewables to out eat the fossil production, but all of these processes are energy hungry, and you have to pay the non renewable cost to create the renewables. But then you don’t need the fossil fuels anymore. My solar panels will produce for the next 30+ years and power my EV with very little effort or maintaining, whereas the fuel I used to drive my ICE car to the…

The US with its high natgas generation is much cleaner than a majority coal driven generation scheme. I'm puzzled why we talk about "US decline" when we're pretty much creating paeans to marginal energy construction. Sure China's trajectory is good. But it's still not at the point where it's cleaner per capita than the US and it's still quite far from that. Let's talk about reality here. The US shouldn't rest on its…

> The US with its high natgas generation is much cleaner than a majority coal driven generation scheme.

The difference is the US's hostility to renewable energy versus China's embrace of it. China's path takes them to zero coal eventually - the US's does not.

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In what world is China less "protectionist" than the US?

There are two types of protectionism: 1. Protecting your interests by building a dynamic strategy. You protect your interests by enhancing your strengths and building on them. 2. Protecting your interests by playing “defense” against your decline. We all know which country chose which path. Chinese party leadership is stacked with literal engineers. They’ve prioritized development of industries crucial to their succe…

> 1. Protecting your interests by building a dynamic strategy.

"Dynamic" is doing a hell of a lot of work there. I guess what you mean is steal technology from the west, undercut pricing on foreign goods and dump products in their markets to destroy the competition, end up being the last one standing, because you freely violate trade agreements (as a member of the WTO) and other treaties.

> " so they have developed their path to energy independence with their solar and wind industry along with electrified transit of all type"

They have more coal power than the rest of the world combined, and are building more. Their "path to energy independence with their solar and wind" is purely propaganda.

>they know they’re never going to be a big oil producer

They're literally the sixth largest, just behind Iraq and ahead of Iran. I'm pretty sure people consider Iraq a "big oil producer", right? They also have the 13th most proven untapped oil reserves, and likely more than that since they're not in the business of oversharing.

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I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills. They say they're worried when the building stops. Even more people will be out of jobs. And when the nation age…

Not hard to find the evidence of tofu dregs. Start being envious when they stop using ewaste as filler for concrete roads and buildings.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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steal this startup idea: you can't buy BYD in the USA (thanks to Biden actually, not current admin) BUT there's a loophole to have a car from Canada in the USA for a year so lease them from Canada to USA buyers for a year at a time

Provided they are available in Canada. There’s only roughly 50k imports in the first year and that will be split across all Chinese manufactured EVs (not necessarily Chinese brands). I assume the majority will be Teslas from their Shanghai factory.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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BYD has to me become an icon of German decline vs Chinese expansion. My view. I was looking at a new car. Went into several car shops, VW, Skoda, Toyota and BYD. And all of them were basically empty and BYD was FULL! Like really really full. And the sales guy confirmed it, they are selling cars like crazy.

Which country was this in?

Must be EU somewhere, never seen a Skoda anywhere else.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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post #86

steal this startup idea: you can't buy BYD in the USA (thanks to Biden actually, not current admin) BUT there's a loophole to have a car from Canada in the USA for a year so lease them from Canada to USA buyers for a year at a time

I think that if you maintain a policy, it becomes yours too.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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That's certainly a take. China just has this decades long history of targeting foreign industries, flooding the market with that product, and then being the only one left standing. The idea that we should allow cheap vehicles to flood the domestic market because that will "cause the US auto manufacturers compete" ignores the wholly uneven playing field at work here, and the government backed goal of one side. Just th…

It's what the USA did during its industrialisation, it's what Japan did during its industrialisation. If you are looking to history to find ways to make your country prosper and industrialise, wouldn't you take those examples since they panned out pretty well?

The US, via a wide reaching, decades long government policy stole technology from other countries, passed that along to chosen domestic companies, and helped flood the market with the stolen/cheaper goods by supporting the companies doing so to produce goods to be sold at below cost?

There's a lot of data around that in the history of the US and Japan?

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