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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by dmix »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #132
whatever1 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No to me it just shows 2 different capital allocation strategies. China picked manufacturing. US picked datacenters.

No, US picked services, financials, defense, and energy China picked manufacturing, infrastructure, consumable exports All the compromises here were pointed out by critics on the left many decades ago. Letting capital flee to where labour was cheapest eviscerated the entire US and Canadian northeast/midwest manufacturing sector and was policy driven from the right. That and we decided that only the private sector sho…

That idea that you could have a) stopped globalism as lots of new giant markets opened up after the 1970s and b) be better off paying 2x for everything by banning everything foreign is just a fantasy. It’s just nostalgia fueled radical politics that both the far left and right latch on to.

The other part of the story that gets ignore is the administrative state exploding in the US/Canada post 1970s, where making new industry and development became very difficult making other countries more attractive while the cost of living exploded.

So instead of becoming competitive all we’re left with is these ideas of the government forcing domestic industry by using national security as an excuse to justify the backwards economics of it all.

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Post by cpursley »

stetrain wrote: post #57
Pfhortune wrote: post #5

Would be great if we could buy/drive these in the US. Funny how we have a "free market" only when it is convenient for certain interests...

They're all over the place in Mexico City. It'll be interesting as these EVs start to show up along the northern and southern borders traveling within the US.

Saw some in southern Arizona, had to do a double-take.

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Post by Squarex »

hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

And even more an icon of european irrelevance. In Prague almost all EVs are Teslas. I see a BYD time to time. Škoda or Volkswagen almost never.

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Post by plaidthunder »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #119
plaidthunder wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason I called out Lada in my original comment is because it's a counterpoint to what you just said. The Lada was the result of too much protectionism. Produced from an empire that was too inward looking and feared interacting with the rest of the world on equal terms. BYD keeps performing well in the rest of the world. If we hold US consumers hostage to prop up companies like Tesla, we risk allowing them to sta…

I prefer to take my chances on stagnation vs Chinese industrial hegemony

> stagnation vs Chinese industrial hegemony

I don't think we get to be stagnant and fend off Chinese industrial hegemony. It's not a symmetric bet.

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Post by catigula »

cpursley wrote: post #176
catigula wrote: post #42

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We have very different definitions of innovation. Respondants: Please, stop lying on the internet. It's not healthy. Stop making things up. Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation Making cars faster or cheaper isn't an "innovation". Making a flying car is innovation. Inventing the car is invention. Systematic government-aided intellectual property theft, lax labor laws, low wages and low standar…

Your understanding of the situation is over a decade out of date. The Chinese are outright innovating at this point, they are well past the copy-paste stage. If you'd like to catch up, this is a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/@Wheelsboy/videos And btw, they are making flying cars as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBp96YGStIQ

Victim of propaganda.

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Post by electriclove »

Bombthecat wrote: post #108
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

BYD has to me become an icon of German decline vs Chinese expansion. My view. I was looking at a new car. Went into several car shops, VW, Skoda, Toyota and BYD. And all of them were basically empty and BYD was FULL! Like really really full. And the sales guy confirmed it, they are selling cars like crazy.

Which country was this in?

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Post by jonathanlydall »

I just signed an offer to purchase a BYD Sealion 5, plugin hybrid small-to-medium SUV.

I’ve been largely happy with my 2018 Honda Fit and briefly researched a hybrid Fit.

In ZAR, the hybrid Fit is listed as ~530K, while the BYD is 570, however the BYD is way bigger, has much nicer interior and insanely more features, including: adaptive cruise control, lane assist (it can basically drive itself for simple traffic), 360 view camera, comparatively huge screen for my Apple CarPlay, sun roof, V2L (allows 2-3kw load off the battery or engine if the battery is low).

I largely liked my Honda Fit and my Ballade (that might be a South African model name), but have been annoyed for a long time at them being laggards on things like CarPlay (at least in South Africa, apparently the Fit in other markets had offered it for much longer).

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Post by mothballed »

burkaman wrote: post #121
sigmonsays wrote: post #48

Where/how can we buy a BYD in the US?

You can't buy them in the US. You could buy one in Mexico and drive it across the border, but you wouldn't be able to register it in the US. It is probably possible to legally import one but it would be very expensive and time-consuming, and you'd need to know a lot about import law.

AFAIK if its registered in Mexico it can be driven in US under temporary import permit. I've seen the odd Hilux or other new rarity that way. Quite common to see Mexico plates here in AZ in all number of cars not available for sale.

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Post by ChoosesBarbecue »

fusslo wrote: post #63
throwaway_7274 wrote: post #20

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I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills. They say they're worried when the building stops. Even more people will be out of jobs. And when the nation age…

I'm passively curious how the long-term maintenance of this all ends up. You don't just build a bridge, you have to keep it up when the natural strain of the world impacts upon it. Given provinces already have debt problems [0], how the hell will all of this infrastructure look in 50 years?

[0]: https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3254680/c...

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Post by physicsguy »

gnfargbl wrote: post #71

Is BYD beating Kia here in the UK? It's hard to tell from the SMMT figures [1] but it looks to me as if Kia sold just under twice as many vehicles as BYD. Given that so much of Kia's lineup is now BEV, I'm not sure who is winning. Tesla is doing poorly here. That's almost entirely down to Musk's public image, not because BYD make better cars. [1] https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

I see a lot more Kia’s but I think it’s shifting because dealerships are shifting. The Toyota dealership near me now sells Jaecoo, Cherry, etc. and I am seeing tons of the Jaecoo SUV cars around. The Pentagon Vauxhall dealership I bought my car from keeps emailing me about BYDs.
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