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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by bdangubic »

whatever1 wrote: post #76
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

No to me it just shows 2 different capital allocation strategies. China picked manufacturing. US picked datacenters.

US is not even capable of building data centers (or anything else anymore). This is why all the planned capacity is waaaaaay behind schedule year after year, as if Elon is running the entire operation :)

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

mghackerlady wrote: post #140
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, US picked services, financials, defense, and energy China picked manufacturing, infrastructure, consumable exports All the compromises here were pointed out by critics on the left many decades ago. Letting capital flee to where labour was cheapest eviscerated the entire US and Canadian northeast/midwest manufacturing sector and was policy driven from the right. That and we decided that only the private sector sho…

the US picked those because it was cheaper to move the others to china. It again shows that capitalism will inevitably die without colonialism

Yeah I think you added that before I edited my comment to say the same :-)

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by TulliusCicero »

atonse wrote: post #16
TulliusCicero wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mind restricting Chinese imports in principle, since China is well known to be very protectionist, moreso than Western countries for sure. Trade needs to be a two way street. That said, it is indeed disappointing that we can't get their affordable EVs over here. Western legacy automakers really need a kick in the ass (especially since Tesla seems to just be phoning it in now).

With EVs, Tesla's the only one in the US not phoning it in. I used to think they were until I got a new Model Y Juniper. I don't count Rivian or Lucid until they actually have even somewhat affordable EVs. But pretty much everyone else in the US is doing a piss poor job with EVs and just don't seem to care at all. Ford seemed to have lost interest in the F-150 lightning. I agree that trade needs to be a two way stree…

Tesla still seems like they're phoning it in to me. Where's the generational refreshes? Where's the Model 2, or any new regular consumer models?

Obviously Rivian and Lucid don't have affordable cars yet, but they seem to be moving in that direction, and they're clearly still trying.

I'm hopeful about Slate, though obviously they haven't sold anything yet so it's just hope.

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Post by bluGill »

RavingGoat wrote: post #80
atonse wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With EVs, Tesla's the only one in the US not phoning it in. I used to think they were until I got a new Model Y Juniper. I don't count Rivian or Lucid until they actually have even somewhat affordable EVs. But pretty much everyone else in the US is doing a piss poor job with EVs and just don't seem to care at all. Ford seemed to have lost interest in the F-150 lightning. I agree that trade needs to be a two way stree…

EV trucks don't work yet. The technology isn't there yet in this country. You can't tow.

You can tow. However you can't reasonably tow for any distance. You can probably even tow for most trips - but you will spend 1/3rd of the trip or more sitting at a fast charger in the best case (and in many cases the only charger is a level 2 chargers so many hours at the charger for every 1 driving)

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

Why has BYD stock been trundling along? They seem like they are so far ahead: incredible blade batteries with ridiculous power density (fast charging)/efficiency/cooling, while being structurally useful (mad cool). And mad popular. I feel like I'm missing something that this company is doing such amazing good work but the stock isn't really moving.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by dangus »

burkaman wrote: post #121
sigmonsays wrote: post #48

Where/how can we buy a BYD in the US?

You can't buy them in the US. You could buy one in Mexico and drive it across the border, but you wouldn't be able to register it in the US. It is probably possible to legally import one but it would be very expensive and time-consuming, and you'd need to know a lot about import law.

Currently the “best” way is to wait until they’re 25 years old and import them.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by weirdmantis69 »

RavingGoat wrote: post #80
atonse wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With EVs, Tesla's the only one in the US not phoning it in. I used to think they were until I got a new Model Y Juniper. I don't count Rivian or Lucid until they actually have even somewhat affordable EVs. But pretty much everyone else in the US is doing a piss poor job with EVs and just don't seem to care at all. Ford seemed to have lost interest in the F-150 lightning. I agree that trade needs to be a two way stree…

EV trucks don't work yet. The technology isn't there yet in this country. You can't tow.

??? There is such a thing as a cybertruck. It can tow better than any other truck.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by bluGill »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #94
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

Another thing overtaking the US is average IQ scores. Both in the current baseline and in rate of change. US has been declining, China has been increasing. > This is to say nothing of the CCP and their record on human rights and free expression. To be very practical here… the lack of rights and freedoms as they exist in China typically has no consequence to the lives of individual people. For example you have no righ…

I write my congressman every few months about something. Sometimes just to send a form letter that one of the various organizations writes for me. I also vote regularly.

You should too.

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Post by mghackerlady »

weirdmantis69 wrote: post #124
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

lmao. "religious nationalism"? What are you referring to here? The USA's new tighter immigration standards? What pray tell is China's immigration policy? Ignorance? Are you referring to perhaps San Francisco progressives eliminating enhanced schooling because it makes some students feel bad about themselves? https://www.educationnext.org/san-franciscos-detracking-expe... Fear? Oh I know, you are talking about how in…

those mega projects are almost always killed by republicans. also, listen to the rhetoric around christianity in republican circles and tell me it isn't religious nationalism

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Post by rootusrootus »

RobotToaster wrote: post #115
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens up national parks for drilling and cancels solar/wind projects. You occasionally see a heartwarming post: “California adds solar panels over a canal” and it just looks cute and kind of sad compared to the massive, ambitious, and technologically superior build out of Chinese renewables. Coal is still the majority of generation capacity [1] in C…

As much as coal is bad for the environment, eliminating it completely isn't a great idea. It's one of the few sources of energy capable of a black start https://www.theblackoutreport.co.uk/2023/06/13/black-start/ Renewables generally aren't capable of a black start, wind turbines in particular use induction generators that require external power.

> It's one of the few sources of energy capable of a black start

Doesn't hydropower count for like half of our black start capability?

> Renewables generally aren't capable of a black start, wind turbines in particular use induction generators that require external power.

Wind farms and PV both can use batteries to support black start capability.

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