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Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by _dwt »

encom wrote: post #133
mizzao wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like Black Mirror's "Joan is Awful" is here, but instead of a quantum computer generating personalized content, we just have an endless parade of meaningless slop.

>an endless parade of meaningless slop This is, increasingly, the front page of HN. Direct slop is uncommon, but not rare. I skip any headline that mentions AI. But sometimes you get baited, you start reading, and it's about AI anyway. A few days ago there was an article about someone hacking some device, and it was just the author vibe-hacking with AI. It is not interesting. I have intense AI fatigue. Make a contain…

I think at this point the containment board is the entire Internet. I have no idea how, but we all need to "Atlas Shrugged" this shit and start over somewhere else with something else.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by robot-wrangler »

harrall wrote: post #153
Tade0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it had, in a way, the opposite effect - I started appreciating non-AI content more. Good art has something that is difficult to reproduce if one isn't already an artist who is just using AI as a medium - it's intentionality. Take for example Floor796[0]. Every little detail counts and while you could use AI to generate single characters or even the whole thing, you'd inevitably find details which have no reason…

I don’t think it’s intentionality. It’s style. A lot of people regard technical measures as the signal of quality. The most realistic painting, the most expensive purse, the most technical flip on a skateboard, the most well drawn AI art. It’s a cheap way to judge quality because you don’t have to understand what makes something good. AI is really showing this divide.

If there's anything more tragic than wealth without taste, it is technique without vision

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by fluffybucktsnek »

harrall wrote: post #153
Tade0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it had, in a way, the opposite effect - I started appreciating non-AI content more. Good art has something that is difficult to reproduce if one isn't already an artist who is just using AI as a medium - it's intentionality. Take for example Floor796[0]. Every little detail counts and while you could use AI to generate single characters or even the whole thing, you'd inevitably find details which have no reason…

I don’t think it’s intentionality. It’s style. A lot of people regard technical measures as the signal of quality. The most realistic painting, the most expensive purse, the most technical flip on a skateboard, the most well drawn AI art. It’s a cheap way to judge quality because you don’t have to understand what makes something good. AI is really showing this divide.

And what makes a style good (as objectively as it can get, anyways)? Why would it be the defining factor of what makes art good?

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by badc0ffee »

harrall wrote: post #153
Tade0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it had, in a way, the opposite effect - I started appreciating non-AI content more. Good art has something that is difficult to reproduce if one isn't already an artist who is just using AI as a medium - it's intentionality. Take for example Floor796[0]. Every little detail counts and while you could use AI to generate single characters or even the whole thing, you'd inevitably find details which have no reason…

I don’t think it’s intentionality. It’s style. A lot of people regard technical measures as the signal of quality. The most realistic painting, the most expensive purse, the most technical flip on a skateboard, the most well drawn AI art. It’s a cheap way to judge quality because you don’t have to understand what makes something good. AI is really showing this divide.

But then some people recognize that technical excellence is not the most important thing, and extend that to assuming that technique does not matter at all. And so we get this constant drip feed of absolutely terrible conceptual art (with an AI-generated artist statement, can't leave that out!) in every single local art scene.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

harrall wrote: post #153
Tade0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it had, in a way, the opposite effect - I started appreciating non-AI content more. Good art has something that is difficult to reproduce if one isn't already an artist who is just using AI as a medium - it's intentionality. Take for example Floor796[0]. Every little detail counts and while you could use AI to generate single characters or even the whole thing, you'd inevitably find details which have no reason…

I don’t think it’s intentionality. It’s style. A lot of people regard technical measures as the signal of quality. The most realistic painting, the most expensive purse, the most technical flip on a skateboard, the most well drawn AI art. It’s a cheap way to judge quality because you don’t have to understand what makes something good. AI is really showing this divide.

AI might actually help in this regard. Where you may have someone who has good taste, and can create a unique style, but lacks the skill to execute on the technique. Kind of like a song writer that can't play an instrument, but can hum a tune to the band, and articulate subtle changes they want.

Of course, current AI is not even close to that yet, but decoupling creativity from technical ability could actually be a good thing in the long run. Though to be honest, I am generally pessimistic on it.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by funimpoded »

encom wrote: post #133
mizzao wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like Black Mirror's "Joan is Awful" is here, but instead of a quantum computer generating personalized content, we just have an endless parade of meaningless slop.

>an endless parade of meaningless slop This is, increasingly, the front page of HN. Direct slop is uncommon, but not rare. I skip any headline that mentions AI. But sometimes you get baited, you start reading, and it's about AI anyway. A few days ago there was an article about someone hacking some device, and it was just the author vibe-hacking with AI. It is not interesting. I have intense AI fatigue. Make a contain…

It reminds me of how movie special effects making-ofs got super boring when most of the work started being done with computers end-to-end.

But with everything.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by WhrRTheBaboons »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #160
dalmo3 wrote: post #148

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Being the devil's advocate, it sounds like no one involved see any value in that exchange, therefore they don't care . In that sense AI slop is a symptom, not a disease. But perhaps also a catalyst. I really wonder if there is a sort of silver lining here, and in the long term low value activities will be filtered out of society. Though that borders on the AI maximalist view which I don't fully agree with. Of course…

"silver lining" agree. if internet is so filled with slop. people will move away from it, start to read books, walk, hang out with each other again?

not when all the world capital is pushed into that bubble while eventually eroding the freedom to do all these things

can't move away from internet when you can't earn money without it, and all the services require you to participate

can't read books if no one is going to be publishing those, after they get out-competed by cheap endless slop

no point in walking when cities are built for cars and businesses, and public spaces continue to dwindle and be defunded

can't hang out when you're too tired trying to survive

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by parliament32 »

encom wrote: post #133
mizzao wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like Black Mirror's "Joan is Awful" is here, but instead of a quantum computer generating personalized content, we just have an endless parade of meaningless slop.

>an endless parade of meaningless slop This is, increasingly, the front page of HN. Direct slop is uncommon, but not rare. I skip any headline that mentions AI. But sometimes you get baited, you start reading, and it's about AI anyway. A few days ago there was an article about someone hacking some device, and it was just the author vibe-hacking with AI. It is not interesting. I have intense AI fatigue. Make a contain…

> the front page of HN

I think I've "flagged" more links this year than my last 13 years on this site combined. I'm sure it's unproductive and doesn't really do anything, but it makes me feel a touch better. I'm so over the slop I think I'm actually visiting HN markedly less because of it.

On the plus side, there has been a (predictable) uptick in slop-flagging browser extensions over the last few months. Once a good locally-hosted version exists, I think it'll take its rightful place alongside ad blockers for tech-minded folks.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by jancsika »

> but, Anne tells Jamie blithely, this really doesn’t matter because the topics under discussion are so low stakes

Put differently-- it matters so deeply that the genre itself will inevitably become an unfathomably sad parody of what it could otherwise be.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by encom »

parliament32 wrote: post #168
encom wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>an endless parade of meaningless slop This is, increasingly, the front page of HN. Direct slop is uncommon, but not rare. I skip any headline that mentions AI. But sometimes you get baited, you start reading, and it's about AI anyway. A few days ago there was an article about someone hacking some device, and it was just the author vibe-hacking with AI. It is not interesting. I have intense AI fatigue. Make a contain…

> the front page of HN I think I've "flagged" more links this year than my last 13 years on this site combined. I'm sure it's unproductive and doesn't really do anything, but it makes me feel a touch better. I'm so over the slop I think I'm actually visiting HN markedly less because of it. On the plus side, there has been a (predictable) uptick in slop-flagging browser extensions over the last few months. Once a good…

>slop-flagging

I would love something like SponsorBlock for YouTube, but for AI slop. Crowd-flag channels, and banish them from my sight.

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