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From Supabase to Clerk to Better Auth

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Re: From Supabase to Clerk to Better Auth

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Post by cyberax »

> Some important context is that Clerk is a major success. They just raised 50 million dollars and they have lots of satisfied users.

And even more users who are looking to escape. Clerk is just a mess. They are trying to cram EVERYTHING into their libraries: Web3 crap, Stripe, etc. Clerk's JS blob is now triggering the browser inspectors for being slow to load.

Every time when we upgraded React, Clerk libraries were the biggest pain with their transitive dependencies. We had issues with Stripe libraries with conflicting versions, etc.

And forget about debugging it. The libraries are obfuscated, and the TS code is impenetrable mess of abstractions to support "isomorphic" code that can run transparently on the frontend and backend.

And their platform itself is lacking important functionality, like freaking audit logs and versioning. Somebody (probably) accidentally changed a setting in their console, and we couldn't trace back when it happened or who did it.

Edit: oh yeah, and don't forget their unreliability. I had to wake up on Sunday to deal with Clerk failing the API calls for token refreshes last week.

Re: From Supabase to Clerk to Better Auth

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Post by azyc »

zuzululu wrote: post #2

what do you get from Better Auth btw? When I used it last year, I still found it lacking and it seemed to be run by one guy.

Lol wut? you get all of your auth data in your own db in 1 cli command. You are not tied to any on db provider. On top of that you get hundreds of auth features like oauth providers (I use it to allow users to log in via google, apple, github) and the best part it's free. Not saying Supabase and Clerk are bad, but they cost money. With better auth you pay exactly $0 for all of this.

Re: From Supabase to Clerk to Better Auth

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Post by giancarlostoro »

azyc wrote: post #5
zuzululu wrote: post #2

what do you get from Better Auth btw? When I used it last year, I still found it lacking and it seemed to be run by one guy.

Lol wut? you get all of your auth data in your own db in 1 cli command. You are not tied to any on db provider. On top of that you get hundreds of auth features like oauth providers (I use it to allow users to log in via google, apple, github) and the best part it's free. Not saying Supabase and Clerk are bad, but they cost money. With better auth you pay exactly $0 for all of this.

Or I could use a web framework that offers that out of the box, and its free and lives in my database, wherever I want.

Re: From Supabase to Clerk to Better Auth

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Post by lanyard-textile »

zuzululu wrote: post #2

what do you get from Better Auth btw? When I used it last year, I still found it lacking and it seemed to be run by one guy.

It must have come a long way then -- I'm integrating it into a new product and it is absolutely fantastic. It just works.

Re: From Supabase to Clerk to Better Auth

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Post by rozap »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #7
azyc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol wut? you get all of your auth data in your own db in 1 cli command. You are not tied to any on db provider. On top of that you get hundreds of auth features like oauth providers (I use it to allow users to log in via google, apple, github) and the best part it's free. Not saying Supabase and Clerk are bad, but they cost money. With better auth you pay exactly $0 for all of this.

Or I could use a web framework that offers that out of the box, and its free and lives in my database, wherever I want.

this is sorta the obvious takeaway here. as a postgres/phoenix/elixir enjoyer i am blissfully unaware of all this sort of SaaS churn.
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