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Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by santoshalper »

Tade0 wrote: post #108
ipsento606 wrote: post #93

Increasingly, my reaction to AI-generated content of basically all types is simply a deep, resonant sadness. The growth of AI feels a little like losing a limb - there is an initial shock of sadness, an initial dose of loss, an initial sense of what has been taken away. But then for months and years afterwards, the daily occurrence of some other little humdrum experience, and only at the moment of the encounter does…

To me it had, in a way, the opposite effect - I started appreciating non-AI content more. Good art has something that is difficult to reproduce if one isn't already an artist who is just using AI as a medium - it's intentionality. Take for example Floor796[0]. Every little detail counts and while you could use AI to generate single characters or even the whole thing, you'd inevitably find details which have no reason…

Yeah, but you have to realize we are on the losing side of this war. The armies of bullshit now have an incredible advantage that actual art can never have. At least in the past, there was some equilibrium. Bullshit was cheaper to make than art (or any other quality product), but now it has become infinitely cheaper to produce, and much more expensive for us to separate from the bullshit.

Think about this for a moment - it takes a company of 8 people to make 3000 podcast episodes a week. It would take far more than 8 people to listen to that many podcasts. How can we possibly hope to separate the wheat from the chaff? What happens when it's 30,000 episodes per week? 300,000. What possible hope does art and craft have against an army that is effectively infinite.

We can hope that the cream will rise to the top, but I am not optimistic. I genuinely believe we are watching the end of art and human creativity as it is absolutely drowned is mass slop.

tl;dr - we're fucked.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by CooCooCaCha »

dontwannahearit wrote: post #125
CooCooCaCha wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m so intensely sick of this attitude. We are losing things with technology. Important things. Human things. Looking under a microscope at one specific instance and saying “eh it’s not that bad, you’re overreacting” is disingenuous or at least putting your head in the sand.

You want human things? Put down the technology and go and connect with some humans. But yes, the original poster with their allusions to lost limbs and "pointless swinging in a vast, unquantifiable emptiness.." is overreacting, depressed or both. The slop will continue until it is no longer profit-making for someone.

Appeals to individualism and capitalism, why am I not surprised.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#133

Post by encom »

mizzao wrote: post #103
ipsento606 wrote: post #93

Increasingly, my reaction to AI-generated content of basically all types is simply a deep, resonant sadness. The growth of AI feels a little like losing a limb - there is an initial shock of sadness, an initial dose of loss, an initial sense of what has been taken away. But then for months and years afterwards, the daily occurrence of some other little humdrum experience, and only at the moment of the encounter does…

It seems like Black Mirror's "Joan is Awful" is here, but instead of a quantum computer generating personalized content, we just have an endless parade of meaningless slop.

>an endless parade of meaningless slop

This is, increasingly, the front page of HN. Direct slop is uncommon, but not rare. I skip any headline that mentions AI. But sometimes you get baited, you start reading, and it's about AI anyway. A few days ago there was an article about someone hacking some device, and it was just the author vibe-hacking with AI.

It is not interesting.

I have intense AI fatigue. Make a containment board for AI sloppers. It's so much worse than all the previous fads combined, like blockchains and Rust rewrites. I'm not even anti-AI, but the exposure to it is just overwhelming and unrelenting.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by bluGill »

surgical_fire wrote: post #120
Carp wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? Headcount went from 300 to 8, number of podcast per day went up and apparently listenership went up.

This only works if there are people willingly listening to crap. Perhaps there are.

Are they? Or do they think they are listening to something real?

I've enjoy reading alt-history at times. However I can only enjoy this when it is clear that this isn't real history. Often one of the more enjoyable parts is authors notes of how real history differs.

I have heard some human written songs that really sounded real and tugged at the heart strings - until I found out it was fiction, and then I was offended. The key here is that it showed someone good (to modern ideals - they all considered themselves good Christians) existed in a timeline where they where we know almost nobody was good.

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by [deleted] »

biscuits1 wrote: post #124
ipsento606 wrote: post #93

Increasingly, my reaction to AI-generated content of basically all types is simply a deep, resonant sadness. The growth of AI feels a little like losing a limb - there is an initial shock of sadness, an initial dose of loss, an initial sense of what has been taken away. But then for months and years afterwards, the daily occurrence of some other little humdrum experience, and only at the moment of the encounter does…

"The growth of AI feels . . . like losing a limb" Indeed. Figuratively, generatively, and of course, generationally.

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Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by [deleted] »

dontwannahearit wrote: post #125
CooCooCaCha wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m so intensely sick of this attitude. We are losing things with technology. Important things. Human things. Looking under a microscope at one specific instance and saying “eh it’s not that bad, you’re overreacting” is disingenuous or at least putting your head in the sand.

You want human things? Put down the technology and go and connect with some humans. But yes, the original poster with their allusions to lost limbs and "pointless swinging in a vast, unquantifiable emptiness.." is overreacting, depressed or both. The slop will continue until it is no longer profit-making for someone.

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Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by dylan604 »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #129
MarkusQ wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The growth of AI feels a little like losing a limb Or gaining a new, oddly misshapen and inexplicably placed limb of no apparent purpose or utility.

That will randomly and unpredictably try to take over tasks from your other limbs, hijacking your somatosensory system so you can't tell when it's doing so without actively looking at what you're doing.

I think you just described my cat's tail

Re: Knitting bullshit

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Post by Zarathustra30 »

quibono wrote: post #11

Am I to believe that those 700K+ downloads are organic traffic? Who's listening to all this stuff?

I occasionally put on a (human-made) podcast for the word-sounds rather than the content. I can imagine others do the same without caring whether it is human-made.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#139

Post by santoshalper »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #132
dontwannahearit wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want human things? Put down the technology and go and connect with some humans. But yes, the original poster with their allusions to lost limbs and "pointless swinging in a vast, unquantifiable emptiness.." is overreacting, depressed or both. The slop will continue until it is no longer profit-making for someone.

Appeals to individualism and capitalism, why am I not surprised.

It's worked so well in the past, surely it will work this time.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#140

Post by dylan604 »

dontwannahearit wrote: post #125
CooCooCaCha wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m so intensely sick of this attitude. We are losing things with technology. Important things. Human things. Looking under a microscope at one specific instance and saying “eh it’s not that bad, you’re overreacting” is disingenuous or at least putting your head in the sand.

You want human things? Put down the technology and go and connect with some humans. But yes, the original poster with their allusions to lost limbs and "pointless swinging in a vast, unquantifiable emptiness.." is overreacting, depressed or both. The slop will continue until it is no longer profit-making for someone.

> is overreacting, depressed or both.

even if it is, that is their feelings. your outright dismissal of them is far more sad in my opinion than their feelings. lack of empathy is a truly sad state.

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