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Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post
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Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
But if there were no "religious sentiments", there will be no law. Religion looks even worse in this case: they're a politican's bitch (psychology term) and they seem to be content with that.
> But if there were no "religious sentiments", there will be no law. Which is no argument at all. It's like saying, "if there weren't blacks, there would be no racism". You can have restrictive laws based on everything, no need to single out religion. Sources of restrictive laws range from health (like the drug laws), to tolerance (no hate speech), to patriotism (too many to mention), to children (internet censorship…
Religion is a particulary nasty offender in the free speech department. And it's not like I don't blame internet censorships, "war on drugs" and stuff. I do. They have their times.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah! I see what bothers you. It's the lack of respect for free speech, it pisses me off too. On one side we have these somewhat free states driven by a set of religious values. On the other side we have totalitarian atheists regimes driven by a set of sociological principles. And in the middle we find ourselves without acces to basic rights like free speech. I frequently ask myself how could we solve that without hurt…
The problem is, you also have states that are both totalitarian and religious. So if you already have a totalitarian state (see Shah Iran) bringing in religion will make it worse, not better (the current mullah Iran). Sadly, I don't see any good perspectives. In rich countries, the main voting power belongs to people of considerable age. And they don't use much freedoms therefore freedom is not a selling point for po…
It seems you value more the problems that religious extremists cause than the current blatant disregard to free speech. In that light you'd be better off moving to China.
Going against religion won't do any good to protect free speech or any other human right. You'll only gather more enemies.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is, you also have states that are both totalitarian and religious. So if you already have a totalitarian state (see Shah Iran) bringing in religion will make it worse, not better (the current mullah Iran). Sadly, I don't see any good perspectives. In rich countries, the main voting power belongs to people of considerable age. And they don't use much freedoms therefore freedom is not a selling point for po…
It seems you value more the problems that religious extremists cause than the current blatant disregard to free speech. In that light you'd be better off moving to China. Going against religion won't do any good to protect free speech or any other human right. You'll only gather more enemies.
Aren't we talking about religion-influenced restriction to the freedom of expression here?
Why does religion go against us, but we should not go against it? They take pride in hurting whatever I consider worthy.
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#65Although this girl might be arrested today, this general trend (growing accessibility to information) will show more and more people that there is a world beyond their immediate experience and what they are being told by people like Bal is false. Bal Thackeray was a bigot. He sought and exploited communal tensions and it's a shame that one can't openly criticize such a reprehensible person. Furthermore, his party Shi…
You will probably get arrested soon :P
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you generalize like that you're being narrow minded as the people you're criticizing. Instead, like Feynman, you should take what's best from religion to improve yourself, and ignore the rest. History shows the average human being is stupid, so don't be average.
Well, would you disagree with that the world would be a better place without religion in this day and age?
It's a meaningless question. How would a world without religion come about? By flipping a switch, and everybody becomes well educated, peace loving, hyper-rational atheists? In that case, probably yeah, it'd be better. On the other hand, if you start lopping the heads of anyone found to be taking guidance from any teaching that isn't solidly grounded in hard science, then, no, it certainly won't be better.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, would you disagree with that the world would be a better place without religion in this day and age?
Religion is like almost anything, it's serves a valuable purpose for a huge number of people but there are some that abuse it. The world is a messed up place for a large amount of people, if the idea that there's a higher being that they're doing this for and that idea is what they need to keep going where's the problem? I guess ultimately the world would be better without religion if you only consider the negatives,…
Religion today serves no purpose, really. It did at one point, but it doesn't now. As societal animals we've moved beyond the need for religion. Additionally, religion by and large is a (huge) net negative on society. Couple that with the fact that, for instance, internet, business, love do orders of magnitude more good than the rather minor harm and you can't equate religion to the others (perhaps, alcohol and drugs, but even those have more positive benefits than religion).
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#68Its sad that the freedom of speech for a individual has been erased by misuing the laws which were actually meant to provide justice. The arrest and the eventual ransacking of the victim's uncles clinic by the supporters of Balasahab Thackeray, may have very less to justify the act.
I wonder if they would even reflect upon the fact that would the supremo himself support such expressions and outbursts by his partymen and followers. No wonder the signs of the party cracking up are showing and i hope this case becomes a eye opener given that internet has got a wide reach and educates the young to chose the law makers more sensibly.
Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post
#69Its sad that the freedom of speech for a individual has been erased by misuing the laws which were actually meant to provide justice. The arrest and the eventual ransacking of the victim's uncles clinic by the supporters of Balasahab Thackeray, may have very less to justify the act.
I wonder if they would even reflect upon the fact that would the supremo himself support such expressions and outbursts by his partymen and followers. No wonder the signs of the party cracking up are showing and i hope this case becomes a eye opener given that internet has got a wide reach and educates the young to chose the law makers more sensibly.
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#70Bal Thackeray or communal politics is not the issue here. It is the freedom of expression of individuals. The Chairman of Press Club of India had an article on The Hindu (a national daily) which painted Thackeray in a bad light ( http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/why-i-cant-pay-tribute... ) - but the state won't act as recklessly against him as they have against these two. Recent events in the country that sets t…
As fun as it is to think everyone thinks like americans...
Does India have and promote the ideal of "Freedom of Expression"? Or is this just the US peanut gallery giving their 2 cents on other peoples' culture?