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Batteries Not Included, or Required, for These Smart Home Sensors

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Re: Batteries Not Included, or Required, for These Smart Home Sensors

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There already exists "kinetic" switches for lights etc whose switch contains some passive electronics that when actuated produces enough energy to emit a radio signal that can be read by a relay module. They're pretty handy as you can basically place the switch anywhere you want without the need for the wires to be there. The relay can live in the light fitting or somewhere else convenient. There's probably no reason…

> for detecting other events like doors opening/closing etc.

If any of those doors are important for security, then I'd want something an intruder can't easily jam or spoof.

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Im not sure I got it. It generates acoustic signals and a microphone server picks them up. If so, will it penetrate through walls?

Well, idk if these do but you can certainly make passive devices that penetrate walls.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)

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For a brief, beautiful moment from the headline I thought "oh good, more PoE sensors finally happening!" doho. But no not just about battery but any power at all, and an interesting approach for further research. Of course to actually get data from still requires powered devices but in a lot of cases it'd be much easier to have that be a single or small number of more easily placed central units vs every single sensor tag separately. Ultra low cost and simplicity are values all their own in terms of applications.

My biggest immediately question though and one I'm a little surprised not see addressed, even at the research stage, is any mention of other animals. There is a bunch there about the ultrasonic frequency being well above the human limit of ~20 kHz. But IIRC for example dogs can hear up to like 45-60 kHz, and cats all the way to 65-85 kHz. I assume lots and lots of other animals also can perceive sounds well beyond human senses. Noise pollution is already a somewhat unrecognized but big problem for all sorts of life around us (not that it's irrelevant to human health either), so if more use of ultrasonics made that worse that's a concern. And as a practical matter the product market is probably going to shrink pretty dramatically if it drives pets mad, a lot of people have pets nowadays they care about a great deal. For that matter even in public environments if it messed with service dogs that might have ADA or equivalent implications.

Still, good reminder of various side channels one doesn't always think about.

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post #24

For a brief, beautiful moment from the headline I thought "oh good, more PoE sensors finally happening!" doho. But no not just about battery but any power at all, and an interesting approach for further research. Of course to actually get data from still requires powered devices but in a lot of cases it'd be much easier to have that be a single or small number of more easily placed central units vs every single senso…

Children too. My own hearing extended to about 23 kHz until I was in my early 20s, and I don't think I was exceptional. There was a jewelry store in my town that I couldn't go in to because the "ultrasonic" motion detector was so painfully loud. But I doubt these devices would be a problem for children or pets because the pulse is so short.

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Im not sure I got it. It generates acoustic signals and a microphone server picks them up. If so, will it penetrate through walls?

The microphone is on a smart watch the user is wearing.

Can i not trigger the automations from my smart watch then?

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It's research, not a product. Even with that, framing it as a smart home sensor in the press release is a stretch. 1) 93.75% success rate in controlled conditions, 92.1% in a somewhat-realistic deployment scenario - too low for reliability. I wouldn't use something like that to trigger smart home automations. 2) Range hardcapped at ~1m due to how ultrasound works, you can't centralize detection. Their answer is to gi…

5) These can be great if you want them to be monitored, but if I'm using my wife's toilet when I'm not supposed to, I'll simply hold the disk when I lift the seat.

Re: Batteries Not Included, or Required, for These Smart Home Sensors

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Where the profit in acoustic tuned sensors?

Sensors must be using batteries, wear out in a month or so, tied to an oppressive cloud seevice, and regular up-sells of things that would be standard but we stratified types of paying users.

For a dotedu, this is perfectly fine. But this wouldn't pass muster as a real product. You can't do all the HorribleUsesAsAService like almost all IoT hardware is.

Re: Batteries Not Included, or Required, for These Smart Home Sensors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The microphone is on a smart watch the user is wearing.

Can i not trigger the automations from my smart watch then?

Sure could, but then you would need to do the thing AND think about doing the triggering and then find the trigger button on your watch. This way you wouldn't have to think about it, because it's automated. Triggering something manually also doesn't really count as 'automation' I would say.
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