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Re: Knitting bullshit

#41

Post by augment_me »

ratmice wrote: post #39
augment_me wrote: post #25

I like the blog but the premise of the blog is an engineering/epistemological perspective on the craft. The writer clearly cares more about the process, technique and history more than the feeling and validation. It could be, that a big part of the the future of hobby's and entertainment in this way is the feeling and validation over the actual performance. Or it can be that a massive amount of people find their valu…

Can't wear feelings and validation...

If you only care about the material and physical utility of the product, you can order the sweater from AliExpress for 5% of the cost and no time spent.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#42

Post by danparsonson »

augment_me wrote: post #37
ossopite wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that we could create a world where 'a big part of the future of hobbies and entertainment' is people listening to meaningless words made up by machines that help them feel good about themselves sounds horrifying. How could anybody feel ok about that? What would it say about the society we've built?

It would say that society changes, and people who were not used to a new world get upset about it, as it has always been throughout the entire history of humanity. We were used to having psychologists and doctors in person, now the most common form is to have it through apps, and the younger generation does not care, it's in fact more efficient to get a prescription that you like than to spend time going places and h…

You could justify basically anything with that logic. Change isn't always about progress.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#43

Post by simonask »

augment_me wrote: post #37
ossopite wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that we could create a world where 'a big part of the future of hobbies and entertainment' is people listening to meaningless words made up by machines that help them feel good about themselves sounds horrifying. How could anybody feel ok about that? What would it say about the society we've built?

It would say that society changes, and people who were not used to a new world get upset about it, as it has always been throughout the entire history of humanity. We were used to having psychologists and doctors in person, now the most common form is to have it through apps, and the younger generation does not care, it's in fact more efficient to get a prescription that you like than to spend time going places and h…

A looooot of assumptions here. We have yet to see any of these brave new ideas actually work.

Therapy has never been more available, yet mental health is through the basement.

I’m also not seeing any evidence that young people are the driving force behind turning the world to shit. Every Gen Z person I know craves authenticity, connection, and meaningful work. All of this is the opposite.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#44

Post by doesnt_know »

augment_me wrote: post #37
ossopite wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that we could create a world where 'a big part of the future of hobbies and entertainment' is people listening to meaningless words made up by machines that help them feel good about themselves sounds horrifying. How could anybody feel ok about that? What would it say about the society we've built?

It would say that society changes, and people who were not used to a new world get upset about it, as it has always been throughout the entire history of humanity. We were used to having psychologists and doctors in person, now the most common form is to have it through apps, and the younger generation does not care, it's in fact more efficient to get a prescription that you like than to spend time going places and h…

The problem is, who is moving “society on” and what is their agenda.

I don’t think it’s healthy to encourage an attitude to just accept all change without any sort of reflection or push back.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#45

Post by augment_me »

danparsonson wrote: post #42
augment_me wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would say that society changes, and people who were not used to a new world get upset about it, as it has always been throughout the entire history of humanity. We were used to having psychologists and doctors in person, now the most common form is to have it through apps, and the younger generation does not care, it's in fact more efficient to get a prescription that you like than to spend time going places and h…

You could justify basically anything with that logic. Change isn't always about progress.

In this case, the user is deciding that they choose what progress is. I am saying, that people who use the tool and value the utility of it decide what is progress. If people listen to the podcast, or use doctors in the phone because it provides them any value, it will be a change and a perceived progress for them.

If the generated podcasts did not bring any value to the users, such as validation, or engagement, they would not use them, and there would be no change.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#46

Post by genewitch »

augment_me wrote: post #37
ossopite wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that we could create a world where 'a big part of the future of hobbies and entertainment' is people listening to meaningless words made up by machines that help them feel good about themselves sounds horrifying. How could anybody feel ok about that? What would it say about the society we've built?

It would say that society changes, and people who were not used to a new world get upset about it, as it has always been throughout the entire history of humanity. We were used to having psychologists and doctors in person, now the most common form is to have it through apps, and the younger generation does not care, it's in fact more efficient to get a prescription that you like than to spend time going places and h…

> the younger generation does not care, [...] more efficient to get a prescription that you like [through apps]

Absolutely

> people listening to meaningless words made up by machines that help them feel good about themselves sounds horrifying

Yes

> Every ... person ... craves authenticity, connection, and meaningful work.

Right

> to find a means of inserting a wire in your head that provides constant pleasant sensations.

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1955-06866-001

> Factual, grounded information is just one take.

Absolutely

Re: Knitting bullshit

#47

Post by ratmice »

augment_me wrote: post #41
ratmice wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't wear feelings and validation...

If you only care about the material and physical utility of the product, you can order the sweater from AliExpress for 5% of the cost and no time spent.

Seriously? You can't get the feeling of satisfaction of wearing something, or having someone wear something you made from AliExpress. My point is your sense of feeling and validation is extremely distorted if you have no knitted material to show for it?

Re: Knitting bullshit

#48

Post by augment_me »

ratmice wrote: post #47
augment_me wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you only care about the material and physical utility of the product, you can order the sweater from AliExpress for 5% of the cost and no time spent.

Seriously? You can't get the feeling of satisfaction of wearing something, or having someone wear something you made from AliExpress. My point is your sense of feeling and validation is extremely distorted if you have no knitted material to show for it?

Completely subjective take by you with similar epistemology around value as the blog author.

People might not care. I might identify as a runner because I bought a little jacket, expensive shoes, and wide-purple-tinted sunglasses, do I have to run? Not necessarily if the objects and my identity gives me the feeling of completion and satisfaction.

If your premise was true for all people, and the sense would be distorted, we would not see these phenomena, and people wouldn't listen or engage with AI-content. But the biological reality and the path of least resistance seems to prove us otherwise.

Re: Knitting bullshit

#50

Post by augment_me »

simonask wrote: post #43
augment_me wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would say that society changes, and people who were not used to a new world get upset about it, as it has always been throughout the entire history of humanity. We were used to having psychologists and doctors in person, now the most common form is to have it through apps, and the younger generation does not care, it's in fact more efficient to get a prescription that you like than to spend time going places and h…

A looooot of assumptions here. We have yet to see any of these brave new ideas actually work. Therapy has never been more available, yet mental health is through the basement. I’m also not seeing any evidence that young people are the driving force behind turning the world to shit. Every Gen Z person I know craves authenticity, connection, and meaningful work. All of this is the opposite.

It's interesting how every time this argument is made, its about subjective experiences of 'craving'. If this was the objective reality, we would have a majority of Gen Z engaged in movements, social groups and other concepts that would help them fulfill their 'cravings'.

However, it seems to not be the case, it seems like they prefer to spend their free time to doomscroll, or sit at home, and engage more in parasocial relationships that perhaps can be more on their terms, on their timeframes, and with their opinions.

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