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An Ode To W3Schools

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Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

simonsarris wrote: post #3

I disagree and I don't think he really responded to any of the criticisms, just sort-of acknowledged them. > They Appear Affiliated With The W3C > For those in the know the W3C is the World Wide Web Consortium, it is an international organization that governs the web. W3Schools rides off the notoriety of that name despite being unaffiliated. Is that really a complaint? How many _Java_Script developers are out there t…

Only problem is that MDN's load times are ass, W3Schools is much faster. This single thing is 99% of the reason why W3Schools will continue to be favored by most people (imo).

Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by aviswanathan »

The one thing I've got to hand to W3Schools is that they've (he's) SEO'd the crap out of the site (probably also due to its massive popularity). If I search something very specific, such as a certain CSS3 element or JS function, the definition and a pertinent case example from W3Schools is always at the top of Google.

Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by carey »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #13
nickpresta wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that http://htmldog.com/ or the MDN ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ ) are much better resources for even the newbie. Correct information always trumps easily accessible information. It isn't like the MDN is hard to navigate or anything, anyways. For comparison sake: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Element/articl... http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_article.asp With the exception of…

There is a huge difference between w3schools and these web sites, you can type in stuff on one side and see it on the other. I know that seems silly but its so helpful for people learning, is there anywhere else where they have that sort of setup?

Mozilla have their own called Thimble at https://thimble.webmaker.org/. Some more interaction between MDN and Thimble would be nice.

Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by scottshea »

bpatrianakos wrote: post #14

In a nutshell the problem with W3Schools isn't any of the things the author points out. It's in the people learning from it. All good developers get to a point in their learning where they realize W3Schools is all the things the author points out and stops using it or very rarely uses it as a quick reference. That's fine. But then there's a whole other breed of developer who never move beyond what can be learned at W…

For me it is a place to learn what to google... I often start with the W3Schools site and then use the verbiage as a launching point for further queries

Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by Kiro »

I use both MDN and W3Schools but many times I prefer W3Schools since they provide a much cleaner and simpler explanation together with the invaluable "try it yourself".

Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by collypops »

manaskarekar wrote: post #11
simonsarris wrote: post #3

I disagree and I don't think he really responded to any of the criticisms, just sort-of acknowledged them. > They Appear Affiliated With The W3C > For those in the know the W3C is the World Wide Web Consortium, it is an international organization that governs the web. W3Schools rides off the notoriety of that name despite being unaffiliated. Is that really a complaint? How many _Java_Script developers are out there t…

I think the reason a lot of newbies start with them is because of a straight to the point easy to read format. They may not be the most accurate or comprehensive, but the low barrier to entry is EXACTLY what newbies are looking for.

I disagree. The reason a lot of newbies start with W3Schools is because they're the plague of Google search results. Popularity isn't everything. If it was, we'd all be promoting Nicki Minaj as the definitive source of quality music.

Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by aw3c2 »

nickpresta wrote: post #9
Diamons wrote: post #2

100% agree. I learned so much off W3Schools. Yeah, it's sometimes inaccurate. But the information is a million times better than reading some WC3 specs or Mozilla's developer guides. Often I see people link to MSDN or Mozilla's developer network when asked for how to learn web development, and all I think to myself as I see that is that if it were me, I would just quit. The content is explained in a way that's just n…

I would argue that http://htmldog.com/ or the MDN ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ ) are much better resources for even the newbie. Correct information always trumps easily accessible information. It isn't like the MDN is hard to navigate or anything, anyways. For comparison sake: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Element/articl... http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_article.asp With the exception of…

The w3schools link shows the example right away, with the Mozilla link I have scroll half way down the page to find it.

Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by nthitz »

simonsarris wrote: post #3

I disagree and I don't think he really responded to any of the criticisms, just sort-of acknowledged them. > They Appear Affiliated With The W3C > For those in the know the W3C is the World Wide Web Consortium, it is an international organization that governs the web. W3Schools rides off the notoriety of that name despite being unaffiliated. Is that really a complaint? How many _Java_Script developers are out there t…

Same goes for Stella Artois, owned by Anheuser-Busch

Re: An Ode To W3Schools

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Post by camus »

simple : MDN is crap, not SEO friendly and not synthetic.

For instance , i want a fast sum up of regexps with Javascript : the W3School shows a short table with the main keywords , that's all i need. It's like a cheat sheet.

MDN is verbose ,badly written , accurate maybe, but i dont want 50 exemples on Proxies or Generators , i dont care about them.

Now i agree , the name is confusing , there are errors , but until folks at Mozilla learn to write a usefull resource , i'm not going to read their wiki.

2 other good refs : the blackberry javascript ref is great, and the MS javascript ref is good too. Mozilla JS ref is just dreadfull.

There is good reason why W3School is popular, because it written for humans.

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