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Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

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Post by qingcharles »

shrubby wrote: post #297
qingcharles wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's frustrating is all those kids who got criminal charges for running MP3 sites back in the day [1], and this guy rips off every piece of media in existence and will walk away literally because he's too rich to be charged. [1] See, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Legal_pro...

https://pluralistic.net/2025/04/23/zuckerstreisand/ Cory Doctorow wrote a nice summary of the Zuckerstreisand book by Sarah Wynn-Williams. "First, Facebook becomes too big to fail. Then, Facebook becomes too big to jail. Finally, Facebook becomes too big to care."

Thank you, that was the quote I was thinking of, but couldn't remember.

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Post by blks »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #279
Johnny555 wrote: post #232

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>How are these fruits "stolen" if they still have what was allegedley stolen? If you write a book and I take it and embed its knowledge into my product that is so pervasive that no one needs to buy your book any more (and I don't even credit you so no one knows where that knowledge came from), to you really still have what was stolen? And I didn't even buy a copy of your book to copy it.

> If you write a book and I take it and embed its knowledge into my product that is so pervasive that no one needs to buy your book any more (and I don't even credit you so no one knows where that knowledge came from), to you really still have what was stolen? The trouble with this analogy is that it proves too much. Suppose you write a book, and so does someone else, but they have better marketing than you and then…

Why are you talking about this case that case nothing to do with the topic at hand? The comment you’re replying to gives a very clear and narrow analogy, and you’re talking about something else.

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Post by King-Aaron »

visarga wrote: post #282
King-Aaron wrote: post #200

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Absorb all "our" IP without consent, in doing so remove "our" own source of revenue, and then repackage it as their own product. Not really fair use IMO.

How does that work? Is it a kind of infringement without substantial similarity?

I find it hard to think of a reasonable analogy. But it's like coming into your house, stealing all your belongings, and then building a new house with all your shit inside and then selling it back to you.

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Post by stackghost »

platevoltage wrote: post #275
stackghost wrote: post #218

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I'm not on Elsevier's side, but I still think it's bullshit that giant companies are allowed to do things at a scale that I'd go to prison for.

That's always going to be true for the Capitalist class.

And yet I continue to rage against the dying of the light.

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Post by armada651 »

nadermx wrote: post #309
themafia wrote: post #304

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False dichotomy. We can obviously have both. We can destroy corporations that rely on copyright to exist and then abuse that system to profit. We can also ignore college students and minor contributory copyright infringement. The difference in scope here should be obvious. We can similarly punish drug dealers while not punishing drug users. In fact it's already policy in large parts of the USA.

To quote another user in this thread "Thats such a non sequitur. This isnt a weed legalisation argument, its "Do we make IP worse for everyone, because you dont like some people benefiting from fair use"."

When corporations were posed with this question numerous times in the past, their answer has always been an emphatic "Yes!".

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Post by dlivingston »

jcalvinowens wrote: post #128
bflesch wrote: post #103

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IMO ASN-based blocking should be much more common, but unfortunately it is not supported as a first-class configuration option in many common tools.

Yeah, I dont know how anybody stays sane without it. I have a list of over a thousand ASNs I blackhole at this point... Mine is a daily bash cronjob that fetches a text-based database and uses grep to build an nftables-apply script with all the IPs for the blocked ASNs. I keep meaning to share it, but it's embarrassingly messy I haven't had time to clean it up...

It would still be useful to share as an example and reference point. People can use Claude Code / etc. to re-write it to their specific situation.

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Post by dlivingston »

websap wrote: post #251
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #131

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The world would be a much better place if these kinds of engineers had a spine.

Yeah they’d have to use it to stand at the back of the unemployment line. Companies don’t care, someone more desperate will take the job.

Are you one of those engineers building said crawlers, by any chance?

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Post by warkdarrior »

citadel_melon wrote: post #306
protocolture wrote: post #293

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>I find it grating that so many AI boosters try to frame pushing back against the AI industry as a sudden about-face for everyone that spent the last 20 years pushing back against the copyright industry. What do you think the outcome of tightening fair use is going to be? Do you think its going to be most effectual against these big evil AI companies we are meant to fear? Or is it going to end up putting more individ…

One could imagine a different legal standards for recreational, research, and commercial uses.

> One could imagine a different legal standards for recreational, research, and commercial uses.

Meta used allegedly stolen copyrighted materials to train a model they shared for free with the whole world. Is this a recreational use?

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Post by TiredOfLife »

ipython wrote: post #36

Just gonna say... Aaron Swartz faced years of prison time and ultimately decided to take his own life... for downloading scientific journal articles ... to share freely with the world (aka not even profiting from it). But a multi-billion dollar corporation downloading millions of copyrighted creative works so that they can reshape the entire labor market by training a new type of artificial intelligence model on that…

> Aaron Swartz faced years of prison time and ultimately decided to take his own life.

According to comments here that was totally deserved. You should not mess with copyright.

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