And thus sparked the entire sector of open weight LLMs...
Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
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#292I take issue with the use of tense used in this framing. Its not 'infringed' its 'infringing' and to say that it happened is wrong, its happening and happening continuously in these models that are in use. To say a one time payment settles it is missing the whole scope of this theft. Royalties are owed and continuously owed as these models are deployed and doing inference. How is it any different to paying a small pi…
Perhaps it's not. Let's force Meta to pay royalties in the same way you have to pay royalties if you want to sample someone else's song.
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#293Funny how people are suddenly on Elsevier's side. It's clear to me that AI training is transformative fair use under existing law. Maybe this will be the case to prove it.
I find it grating that so many AI boosters try to frame pushing back against the AI industry as a sudden about-face for everyone that spent the last 20 years pushing back against the copyright industry. I’m also in favor of decriminalizing or legalizing small amounts of pot for personal use. That doesn’t mean I’m behind industrialized narcotic production on such a huge scale that it that it starts to distort the econ…
>I find it grating that so many AI boosters try to frame pushing back against the AI industry as a sudden about-face for everyone that spent the last 20 years pushing back against the copyright industry.
What do you think the outcome of tightening fair use is going to be? Do you think its going to be most effectual against these big evil AI companies we are meant to fear? Or is it going to end up putting more individual creators on the end of Disneys pitchforks?
Like if you support creating a gun to kill a monster, that's great. But you need to understand that weapons rarely only target the person you want them to. And its unlikely that any bill that specifically targets a certain size or profit margin is going to make it all the way into law without being generalised to the approval of large IP holders.
Its much much (much) better to look at this as an opportunity to erode IP laws for everyone, than to make them worse and hope that your particular enemies are the only ones that are affected.
>That doesn’t mean I’m behind industrialized narcotic production on such a huge scale that it that it starts to distort the economy, and companies looking for new ways to add methamphetamine to every goddamn product.
Thats such a non sequitur. This isnt a weed legalisation argument, its "Do we make IP worse for everyone, because you dont like some people benefiting from fair use".
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#294Looking forward to the personal liability. I've wondered what the legalese justification for letting liability evaporate as it does so often with corps. So far the reasons I'm left with are ' shrugs ' and 'the relevant provision (seemingly? apparently?) simply don't apply', neither of which are any good. I was going to make a joke about how we should attach magnets to Aaron Swartz' corpse, since that'd make for a pre…
The handling of Aaron Swartz’s case was a travesty, but he wasn’t indicted for piracy. The charges were for fraud, unlawfully accessing a protected computer, and damaging a computer.
In the years since the basis of the case has been forgotten and replaced with an assumption about piracy, but it was a case about unlawful access.
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#295"You can be unethical and still be legal that’s the way i live my life" - Mark Zuckerberg
Note for the downvoters: this is literally what he said.
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#297A lot of people would be very pleased if this leads to Zuckerberg getting even the statutory minimum damages ($750?) on each infringement. The previous infringement case with Anthropic said that while training an AI was transformative and not itself an infringement, pirating works for that purpose still was definitely infringement all by itself. The settlement was $1.5bn, so close to $3k for each of the 500k they pir…
What's frustrating is all those kids who got criminal charges for running MP3 sites back in the day [1], and this guy rips off every piece of media in existence and will walk away literally because he's too rich to be charged. [1] See, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Legal_pro...
https://pluralistic.net/2025/04/23/zuckerstreisand/
Cory Doctorow wrote a nice summary of the Zuckerstreisand book by Sarah Wynn-Williams.
"First, Facebook becomes too big to fail.
Then, Facebook becomes too big to jail.
Finally, Facebook becomes too big to care."
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#298I had to block meta's ASN on my personal cgit server a few weeks ago because they were ignoring robots.txt and torching it. Like hundreds of megabytes of access logs just from them, spread around different network blocks to clearly try and defeat IP based limiting. I couldn't believe it.
I had to last year too, nonstop crawling, random urls that didn't exist. It looked like they were trying to proxy user queries through to a search endpoint too. The ASN matched so I know it wasn't someone spoofing them.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be disingenuous framing because the argument against copyright stems from a belief that information should be free. Meta does not do things in this spirit. There's no about face needed...
> It would be disingenuous framing because the argument against copyright stems from a belief that information should be free. Meta does not do things in this spirit. Don't they? They release the llama model weights, they do things like this: https://www.opencompute.org/wiki/Open_Rack/SpecsAndDesigns They also make significant contributions to Linux and are the originators of popular open source projects like zstd an…
They only released the weights because someone leaked them.
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#300A lot of people would be very pleased if this leads to Zuckerberg getting even the statutory minimum damages ($750?) on each infringement. The previous infringement case with Anthropic said that while training an AI was transformative and not itself an infringement, pirating works for that purpose still was definitely infringement all by itself. The settlement was $1.5bn, so close to $3k for each of the 500k they pir…
What's frustrating is all those kids who got criminal charges for running MP3 sites back in the day [1], and this guy rips off every piece of media in existence and will walk away literally because he's too rich to be charged. [1] See, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Legal_pro...
I just don't see why everyone seems to not be cheering that perhaps we are not going to go back to the days where all those kids are going to be re charged. It almost feels like everyone wants to go back to labels carpet bombing students with lawsuits[0]