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Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

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Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

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post #600

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> nothing new with the browser vendor pushing plugins down our throat which are not browser core features You need to find another browser, if your desire is only browser core features. You have that freedom!! You can do it! On the other hand: I don't think anyone caters to that position, because it's a bad/nonsense position, that users don't want. There are some browsers that come closer to this, but this idea of "b…

> this idea of "browser core features" is, on the face of it, to me, reduction deeply into the absurd. To counter this, the idea that the BROWSER should be doing other things than BROWSE is insane to me. It is very clear that you and I came of age in a very different environment with a very different mindset. The moment somebody starts forcing additional packages, some which may even be larger in scope and code than…

Yeah, I came up with BBS and being amazed at watching us connect & grow capabilities, in ways that anyone could easily use. That was and is incredible & amazing. I struggle to see what reached out & touched you, has you (from my perspective) so shook & anti- willing! I can't imagine not seeing the hope & awesomeness!! I agree: we do have very different backgrounds, it seems like!

There's libraries, still: big buildings with books on them, if you want to go browse static dead information that sits there! You can even check out books on your phone now; thanks Libby app! Your use case is already super well fulfilled! Has been for a long time! You can go do that!

It's absurd to me how conservative & constraining some people want the world to be. A reduction of possibility, that itself feels absurd, taken to even more absurd anti existence, anti possibility. There's been no platform on earth where it's so easy to make cool neat software and experiences for yourself & friends, where we can do so much. From a static website! That power is incredible. That power had been locked away forever and somehow it became very easy, yet still reasonably sandboxed, and is available to all, so easily: and that's nothing short of a miracle.

And as ever it's always the same! The same shit! "The story so far: after packaged software, the web was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

Just go use a browser that works for you, and stop trying to ensnare the whole world in your very limited very constrained narrow view of expectations/desires. Don't expect the universe to reduce itself to your level! Especially because: the web will let you have the browser you want! There's other media-forms that are everywhere that are even more set, as per your desires! But man, to moralize & outrage against those who don't want the web to be but a book that's online? I don't sympathize at all, and I don't understand the basis where this comes from, and I so strongly feel there's been way way way too much of this frankly bad attitude; I think this is very broadly a popular anti-sentiment to whinge over, that is far too over-expressed. And it's so small, so limiting a world, that's so unclear & so unexplained. The world wide web doesn't need to fit in such a tiny box. This is human capability, that increasingly is the means open to all, for the Dream Machines to be made with, for intergalactic internets to connect people with. Sure! A lot of that hasn't gone great, we don't like what has been built!

But it's always seemed so clear and so obvious to me that this democratic access to platform, available on any device, that let's us do so much, is a fragile sacred thing. And that taking that away is to give up all hope of ever having systems that are good for us.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

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post #568

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A spellchecker is a standard function of a text program. Since when is an AI part of the browser? On top it’s another abuse of their market domination. What if users prefer other models?

There was a point in time when a spellchecker was not a standard function of a text program, and a spellcheck dictionary would have been considered a large file to include with that kind of software. I'm not a fan of Google's actions here, but I do think it's possible that at some future time we'll say, "but a local AI model is a standard function of a web browser."

> at some future time we'll say, "but a local AI model is a standard function of a web browser.

And before that point ask the user for consent.

It’s not that hard.

If you make a sudden big change, ask for consent.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

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post #568

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A spellchecker is a standard function of a text program. Since when is an AI part of the browser? On top it’s another abuse of their market domination. What if users prefer other models?

By that reasoning, any novel/cutting-edge addition to a browser or other software is wrong? Every standard was new at some point.

Any addition that has nothing to do with the purpose of the program is wrong.

That why ERPs added CRM and DMS functionalities, CRM added DMS and ERP features and DMS got messenger parts.

Of course those new functions can’t compete with the programs made for these functions in the first place and at the end of the day even the main functionality got worse.

Here is the additional point that Google enforces their own model without asking.

Usually programs with additional features give you an option page to select/deselect unwanted features

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

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post #649

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> It's additional software that many users didn't ask for, don't want and will not be aware of You just described 95% of the parts of all software, especially in this era. And think of the Web - how many gigabytes of terrible adtech and tracking code does the average user download in a month of web browsing without an adblocker? Remember, each one probably packages in a couple hundred NPM dependencies into its bundle…

> It's additional software that many users didn't ask for, don't want and will not be aware of > You just described 95% of the parts of all software, especially in this era. And think of the Web - how many gigabytes of terrible adtech and tracking code does the average user download in a month of web browsing without an adblocker? Remember, each one probably packages in a couple hundred NPM dependencies into its bund…

> just shut up and sit down and accept it?

I mean, that's absolutely your only option other than simply choosing another browser. This will be a non-issue for 99% of Chrome users.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#766

Framing this as needing "consent" is deeply misguided. It's as silly as claiming that Microsoft Word installed an English language spellcheck dictionary without your consent. It's just part of the software. You consented to installing the software and having it autoupdate. That covers it. Now we can argue whether or not it's an appropriate amount of disk space or bandwidth to use, but that's just a reasonable practic…

"You consented to installing the software and having it autoupdate. That covers it."

Were the terms something like

https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/chromium/+/refs/h...

"11.1 The Software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the Services."

https://www.gdpreu.org/the-regulation/key-concepts/consent/

"Where should the consent request go?

Consent information must be easily identifiable by the user. It should be presented separately from any terms and conditions."

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re...

"You cannot rely on silence, inactivity, pre-ticked boxes, opt-out boxes, default settings or a blanket acceptance of your terms and conditions."

https://www.edpb.europa.eu/sites/default/files/files/file1/e...

"The element free implies real choice and control for data subjects. As a general rule, the GDPR prescribes that if the data subject has no real choice, feels compelled to consent or will endure negative consequences if they do not consent, then consent will not be valid.13 If consent is bundled up as a non-negotiable part of terms and conditions it is presumed not to have been freely given."

https://www.dpo-consulting.com/blog/gdpr-data-consent

"GDPR Article 7 further tightens consent. It requires clear requests (separate from general terms), a right to withdraw at any time, and documentation to demonstrate that consent was validly obtained. In short, you must prove that a person knowingly opted in. Records of data consent (who, when, how) are mandatory so that you can show regulators you followed GDPR consent requirements."

"You wanted a banana but what you got was a gorilla holding a banana and the entire jungle." - Joe Armstrong

You installed a banana with autoupdates enabled by default. Therefore you consented to installing a gorilla and an entire jungle

Anyway, joking aside, what's missing from this blog post is discussion of potential remedies for the alleged violations

It may be acceptable to Google to violate GDPR, etc. if the remedies enforced are merely a "cost of doing business" and not a threat to business success

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

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Framing this as needing "consent" is deeply misguided. It's as silly as claiming that Java installed an ask.com toolbar without your consent. It's just part of the software. You consented to installing the software and having it autoupdate. That covers it.

wellackshually the bloatware explicitly asked for consent. There was a checkbox at the end of the EULA asking you "I also don't agree to not install the ask.com toolbar. You wouldn't do that, would you?". There is a state of that checkbox which would not install the toolbar, because, as you know, it's not part of the software I'm trying to install. That state, however, is left as an exercise for the decompiler. :) Th…

I thought the issue with Java was that checkmark would check itself on update?

I was trying to draw that parallel but maybe I'm misremembering

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#768

Framing this as needing "consent" is deeply misguided. It's as silly as claiming that Microsoft Word installed an English language spellcheck dictionary without your consent. It's just part of the software. You consented to installing the software and having it autoupdate. That covers it. Now we can argue whether or not it's an appropriate amount of disk space or bandwidth to use, but that's just a reasonable practic…

please don't defend this anymore.

People installed an html client, not a backdoor into their computer.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

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post #670

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> That is a far cry from 4 GiB Equating a 4GB file installed without explicit consent to the installation of a language dictionary is comical. That's like saying an unwanted political mailer left in your mailbox is the equivalent of a pallette of hammers left in your driveway.

It sounds like you have a specific number of GB in mind that an app can take up, below which it's totally their business, and above which they need to plead their case, disclose the purpose, and allow me to choose. What's that number? How did you arrive at it and why? My Chrome binaries are about 700MB on Mac and 500MB on Windows. Is this below or your line, or are they actually in trouble as soon as they're extracte…

What a completely asinine post. I'm sick of seemingly smart people in the technical world think they are being so clever by trying to literally rehash the continuum fallacy. You hear this literally everytime anyone even so much as suggests a standard, norm or god forbid a regulation. It seems especially common among libertarian types who think governance of any kind of simply impossible because of it.

Just because there is a gradual spectrum between two states doesn't mean we can't draw distinctions. For example, just because we cannot define the exact, precise color when blue turns into green, it does not mean that blue and green are the same color for any normal person discussing an issue publicly in good faith.

When someone says "X and Y are on a spectrum, X is good and Y is bad", the point is to highlight the differences. Pointing out that the spectrum or continuum might not have a precise boundary has literally zero weight towards the validity of the ultimate conclusion a person is making here and really is just a complete derail done by people who have no substantive points to make.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#770

Framing this as needing "consent" is deeply misguided. It's as silly as claiming that Microsoft Word installed an English language spellcheck dictionary without your consent. It's just part of the software. You consented to installing the software and having it autoupdate. That covers it. Now we can argue whether or not it's an appropriate amount of disk space or bandwidth to use, but that's just a reasonable practic…

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