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The world would be a much better place if these kinds of engineers had a spine.
Some spines are just crooked, and the extra rigidity would hurt more than help.
Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
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Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#142Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#143Just gonna say... Aaron Swartz faced years of prison time and ultimately decided to take his own life... for downloading scientific journal articles ... to share freely with the world (aka not even profiting from it). But a multi-billion dollar corporation downloading millions of copyrighted creative works so that they can reshape the entire labor market by training a new type of artificial intelligence model on that…
Well, Meta also shared their AI models freely with world
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#144So... "move fast and steal things"?
When the AI scrapers were just getting started, that is basically what I thought - their plan was to scrape / suck up everything they possibly could before people realized what was happening and blocked them.
The rate at which they were spidering and scraping was so far beyond what any other supposedly legit spider was doing, it seemed like the logical explanation.
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#145Waiting for the perp walk.
Tired of the double standard that CEOs get away when bad things happen (because they can’t be everywhere all the time) but all the benefits when the company makes a great profit (because they’re personally driving results!).
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#146Except, as the article says.... it's not copyright infringement. Whether it should be or not is another issue.
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is that the trainers have not sought licenses for the data and instead outright pirated it. I don't think anyone thinks that all training is a copyright violation if all the training data is licensed. For example a LLM trained on CC0 content would be fine with basically everyone. The problem is that training happens on data that is not licensed for that use. Some of that data also is pirated which makes it…
But why should separate licensing be required at all? A search engine reads and indexes every word of every page it crawls. No one argues that requires licensing, only that the outputs must respect copyright. Why should training be different?
When google starting outputting summaries people asked the same questions.
If you supplant the value of the original with the original as input then you probably have some legal questions to answer.
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#148HN really loves the copyright lobby when it's against someone they hate, huh
The problem is people at large companies creating these AI models, wanting the freedom to copy artists’ works when using it, but these large companies also want to keep copyright protection intact, for their regular business activities. They want to eat the cake and have it too. And they are arguing for essentially eliminating copyright for their specific purpose and convenience, when copyright has virtually never be…
>wanting the freedom to copy artists’ works when using it
Learning from copyrighted content is legal - for both humans and AI. If Meta is in hot water for anything, it's piracy and/or storage of copyrighted material.
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
But machines don't do things. People do things, and they use tools/machines to do those things more easily or efficiently.
My apologies - I'm speaking loosely of course. Translate all my claims about machines breaking the law into claims about humans using machine breaking the law.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be pedantic. I was trying to make the point (which I think is in line with your point) that the fact that AI is involved here doesn't make a difference. It is a tool, but the people using the tool are (as always) responsible for the outcome.
Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement
#150Except, as the article says.... it's not copyright infringement. Whether it should be or not is another issue.
>But the latest lawsuit alleges that Meta and Zuckerberg deliberately circumvented copyright-protection mechanisms — and had considered paying to license the works before abandoning that strategy at “Zuckerberg’s personal instruction.” The suit essentially argues that the conduct described falls outside protections afforded by fair-use provisions of the U.S. copyright code.