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California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by kelnos »

pjc50 wrote: post #166
heathrow83829 wrote: post #111

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the difficulty of bringing produce to market is reflected in the cost structure. 90% of a food dollar goes towards all the efforts required to get food to the customer (transportation, packaging, warehousing, marketing, retail, etc). this is why I think the solution is to have people grow their own fruits in their own backyards and front yards. customers will save a huge amount of money and it's better for the enviro…

As an owner of an apple tree: that's great for about two months, but I don't have commercial quantities of cold storage.

We used to have a lemon tree. When it was producing, 80% of it went to waste. When it wasn't producing, we had to buy.

It was still worth it, though. It required very little maintenance (pruning once a year, replace the batteries on the auto-irrigation system a couple times a year), so it was basically free.

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by nradov »

cogman10 wrote: post #278
nradov wrote: post #269

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You're not making any sense. I never claimed that a bunch of farmers have mixed orchards. Some farmers have too many peach trees right now because Del Monte got their forecasts wrong so now those farmers will chop down the peach trees and probably plant something else. Olive oil demand is still trending up so that might be a possibility in some cases, there are lots of options. That's just how farming works: you have…

> I never claimed that a bunch of farmers have mixed orchards. You claimed > Every year farmers cut down a bunch of trees and plant new ones in response to costs and market demand. What do you mean responding to "costs and market demand"? You also claimed > They forecast future trends as best they can and will replace trees (or other crops) when it seems profitable. Both those statements would imply that you have orc…

You're still not making any sense. If you drew some sort of implication about mixed orchards then you really need to work on basic reading comprehension.

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by pfdietz »

As I understand it, Del Monte made a few mistakes.

The first was related to COVID. Sales of canned goods spiked during COVID. They misinterpreted this as a permanent change and invested accordingly.

Second, they did not find a way to compete with store brands, which are no longer at a quality deficit vs. more expensive name brands like Del Monte.

Finally, they didn't address changes in diet that (as I see it) makes sugary syrupy tree candy not something people want to eat. Carbs are recognized now as seriously unhealthy. Ozempic and related drugs may have also affected this.

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by kelnos »

NotMichaelBay wrote: post #246
fhn wrote: post #160

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Not really. I buy bare-root tree from home depot, throw it into the ground, and get fruit in a few years. No fertilizer, no anything, just give it water and sun. It's not rocket science.

It's definitely science, and it definitely doesn't work that way for most people. Also, "a few years" is a long time between deciding you want fruit and getting to eat it.

> Also, "a few years" is a long time between deciding you want fruit and getting to eat it.

The best time to plant was a few years ago, the next-best time to plant is today.

This feels like a weird argument; you can decide you want to grow your own fruit today, plant that tree, and continue to buy fruit for the next few years until it's ready. This isn't rocket science. For most people it's not particularly likely that they're going to decide in the next few years that they don't like apples or lemons or whatever anymore.

Your lack of desire to either plan ahead or be patient doesn't invalidate the approach.

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by Cakez0r »

Legend2440 wrote: post #169
Cakez0r wrote: post #140

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Yes, i have no issue with that, but why is the money coming from the tax payer instead of del monte?

Del monte filed for bankruptcy last year. That's why the cannery was closing down in the first place.

In name only. Del Monte is still operating.

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by cogman10 »

nradov wrote: post #282
cogman10 wrote: post #278

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> I never claimed that a bunch of farmers have mixed orchards. You claimed > Every year farmers cut down a bunch of trees and plant new ones in response to costs and market demand. What do you mean responding to "costs and market demand"? You also claimed > They forecast future trends as best they can and will replace trees (or other crops) when it seems profitable. Both those statements would imply that you have orc…

You're still not making any sense. If you drew some sort of implication about mixed orchards then you really need to work on basic reading comprehension.

Then explain what you meant.

I contend this is not "routine and seldom makes the news." and I back that up by claiming that it's uncommon for orchard farmers to change crops.

What part of that doesn't make sense?

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by bix6 »

hparadiz wrote: post #104
bix6 wrote: post #89

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10 years? Says who? I’ve heard 2 years in a worst case.

With respect. It's a dumb internet-ism not grounded in reality. https://oroville.lakesonline.com/Level/ You can see the water level there for Lake Orville which is the source for the California aqueduct system that feeds part of the Central Valley and the 20 million living in Southern California. Given that non-residential accounts for 92% of all the water use California is never in any danger of not being able to pr…

Interesting thank you for the info! I will read into this a bit.

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by Aurornis »

gblargg wrote: post #110
Aurornis wrote: post #57

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A situation like this bring out many comments that reveal a very low understanding of basic economics (and a low rate of reading the article). Del Monte went out of business because there wasn't enough demand for the peaches. The company that purchased their assets is continuing to buy 24,000 tons of peaches, but the previous unsustainable business was buying a lot more. It's the excess fields that need to be repurpo…

> if we had forced the peaches to be grown and canned (as many comments are suggesting) then that would be a different kind of waste as they'd sit in warehouses while the land, resources, and labor were used to produce something people weren't buying instead of being used to produce foods they were buying. Worse, the price would have to be lowered to bring up sales, which could put the other peach farmers into bankru…

If you try to force production and sale hard enough, the sale price can even go negative.

If your warehouse is full of peaches nobody wants, you might be forced to sell them for negative dollars to take them away. It's either that, or you pay to have the waste management company dispose of them. So the price effectively goes negative from trying too hard to force something to happen.

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by bdangubic »

ch4s3 wrote: post #138
bdangubic wrote: post #14

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this is exactly right, all US farmers are basically socialists and they consistently vote for the one of the most socialists parties on the planet - the republican party

We have 2 anti-capitalist parties right now that shower largess on on their favored interests.

only one is pretending not to be one though… during the NYC mayoral election there was a single GOP politician who wasn’t publicly crying about mamdani (as if anyone cares what congressman from some shithole state thinks about it) which is just so comical. republican party is more socialist (when it needs to be) than china

Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy

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Post by aidenn0 »

HerbManic wrote: post #220
Bichote wrote: post #38

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Millions of peaches, peaches for m̶e̶ no-one -> https://youtu.be/3GCrzjVdmSg

I see your hand and raise you. Weird Al's straight cover. Al should just do an album like that, would be kinda neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddju6JMSp7g

You neglected to mention the presence of Chris Ballew...
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