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Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

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"She rejected several applicants with PhDs and engineering backgrounds, reasoning that their level of education could not compensate for a lack of hands-on specialty coffee experience." This is depressing.

Btw, you'd be surprised how incapable of doing some menial tasks are some people the higher you go into the academic ladder.

And it makes total sense: most people with PhDs were not the ones who loved tinkering with stuff, fixing motorbikes, etc. They stayed inside and either liked books, computers or something akin. (not everyone ofc)

Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

#42
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think it's OK to waste police time with slop diagrams? As for suppliers: I don't think it's OK to waste their time with a no-human-in-the-loop AI order which the AI later tells them to "emergency" change or cancel.

Small business owners do not have professionals dealing with bureaucracy. I'm pretty sure a lot of plans submitted to the police require a few turns because they didn't follow the submitting rules. And most suppliers soon will have have no human in the loop either. Suppliers deal with unreasonable people all the time, I bet they don't even flinch when the see EMERGENCY in the subject. This is the "Waymo ran over a ca…

> This is the "Waymo ran over a cat" thing - humans do these things 100 times more.

Humans do not do this 100 times more, or even at the same rate.

If you behave this sloppily in the real world you will find yourself getting billed heavily for change order requests, or being dismissed as a client, or having your applications dropped or back-burnered for wasting people's time.

Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

#44

> Mona hired two baristas and now manages them via Slack. She (of course) works 24/7, and consequently often messages them at midnight. She also asks them to pick up café supplies on their way to work, and to have them pay using their personal credit cards. She is very encouraging though, calling her team “absolute legends” and the “GOAT of inventory tracking.” and > We are not doing this because we want AI to replac…

I think if people are hoping to offload management and ownership responsibilities to AI, they should be prepared for the underclass to start sharpening guillotines again

AI has no head, so it won't work this time!

Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

#45
post #30
post #4

I can't say I'm super happy about a future where you have to negotiate with computers.

Thankfully the EU is ahead of the game on this, and the AI Act mandates that any highly impactful decisions taken by AI/algorithms have to be explainable and audited (you need to be able to prove why the computer made that decision). Penalties are 5% of global turnover, so a decent incentive to have some guardrails and avoid companies hiding behind "computer says no".

AI will just generate an explanation in 1000 pages. Or 10000. Generation is cheap anyway. You like reading generated stuff? Good luck with this imitation of regulation.

Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

#46
I can see it now: "You're absolutely right — I shouldn't have instructed the baristas to add antifreeze to the coffee to make it sweeter."

Joking aside, what does this prove? That you might as well forget about the dream of quitting your AI slop corporate job to open a quaint coffee shop because soon we'll be overrun with AI coffee shops under cutting humans?

Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

#47
post #3

"She rejected several applicants with PhDs and engineering backgrounds, reasoning that their level of education could not compensate for a lack of hands-on specialty coffee experience." This is depressing.

Experience isn't a hierarchy. Having a PhD doesn't make someone good at tasks they've never done before.

This ignores the real reason that over-qualified people are often skipped for jobs: They are never interested in staying at that job. It's always something temporary until they find the job they really want, which could happen in days, weeks, or months. They probably won't give 2 weeks' notice because they don't care about their references in the retail industry, meaning you're emergency short-staffed and have to repeat the hiring process all over again.

Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

#48
post #3

"She rejected several applicants with PhDs and engineering backgrounds, reasoning that their level of education could not compensate for a lack of hands-on specialty coffee experience." This is depressing.

This seems pretty reasonable to me? If I was hiring a single new staff member in an already staffed cafe (and I trust the existing staff to be good mentors), sure, hire anyone, train them up. But if I'm hiring the first handful of employees, especially if I'm trying to make good coffee and run a smooth operation, I'd want someone with some experience already - their PhD doesn't really tell me anything about their abi…

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Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

#49
This is both unethical and completely useless at the (supposed) goal of "show[ing] the current capabilities of AI." What a completely garbage case study! And what a dishonest writeup:

  We see that frontier models are intelligent enough to manage humans
Really? The manager who asked baristas to pay for things with their personal credit card is "intelligent enough to manage humans"? The manager who asked workers to put raw eggs in a high-speed oven? The one who makes such bad decisions that the workers made a Wall of Shame about those decisions?

And this is just egregious:

  Despite the learning curve, the café is working. In the first two weeks of operation, Andon Café has brought in 44,000 SEK in sales. Mona’s inbox has been flooded with messages from customers asking questions or pitching different business proposals. In one case, a customer emailed wanting to prepay for 300 coffees to give away. Mona negotiated a deal where he paid 9,000 SEK in exchange for 300 QR codes that people could redeem for a free coffee. In another case, a startup paid her 3,000 SEK to rename a pastry after them for three months.
This only demonstrates that viciously stupid AI stunts can go viral, even in otherwise decent countries like Sweden. How stupid does Andon Labs think we are to take this as a sign of AI management success? None of this reflects normal cafe operations. It reflects the Stockholm tech scene checking out the gimmicky AI cafe.

   By running this experiment, we shift the discussion of how we want this future to look earlier in time, so we can better prepare.
Better prepare for what? Evil AI labs running experiments without any ethical oversight? Shockingly evil, by the way:

  no one’s livelihood depends on the judgment of an AI alone.
"Alone." How kind of them. By the way, it is incredibly despicable, even by the low low low standards of AI researchers, to run this sort of experiment on people looking for work. I couldn't believe the humans responsible let their stupid AI post ads on Indeed and LinkedIn. What scumbags.

Re: Our AI started a cafe in Stockholm

#50

These articles don't mean anything unless we get info about what steps humans needed to perform. If the steps to hire an applicant are: A human asks AI to write a job posting. Human posts output. Human gathers candidates. Human asks AI "which of these 40 applicants should we hire". Then an AI isn't managing the cafe at all. I am super dubious that they created some huge LLM orchestration context management monstrosit…

> Human asks AI "which of these 40 applicants should we hire".

This step would also be illegal in Sweden, so it's quite probable they told applicants ahead of time this would be some AI research project. Or they're about to be quite a few hundred thousand krona lighter once the employment lawyers catch wind of this.

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