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Millions of peaches, peaches for m̶e̶ no-one -> https://youtu.be/3GCrzjVdmSg
Peaches come from a can. They were put there by a man.
In a factory downtown.
California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
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Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
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Reminds me of Steinbeck: “The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges,…
Not what's happening here. They are not destroying the trees to limit supply and jack up prices, but rather because no one wants them. Nor are we destroying food while people go hungry; we produce more food than we eat by a considerable margin. What hunger remains in the world is a distribution problem, not a supply problem.
You have no idea what's happening in the USA do you lol.
I can't speak to the fruit business, but let me assure you: people are starving, the cost of living crisis is a political weapon, SNAP is unfunded, and this nutrition is, as in Grapes of Wrath times, succumbing to the market, not to the lack of need.
People are hungry, there's just no $$$ in feeding them.
Shame.
Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
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>However, if these are the trees that grow rock hard peaches that never soften as they ripen with no flavor, t That's not even how trees work. If they wanted, those same trees could grow plums within 2 years, or almonds, or pretty much any stonefruit except cherries (which tend to be incompatible).
Then please explain to me how trees work.
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Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
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My opinion is that it's mainly unjust to have invested so much in growing it to destroy it. Mistakes happen and this is the right decision for now given the situation but it is wasteful.
I see people finding too often that change is injustice, and this is strange.
I think I just have a strange personal definition of injustice - but the effort put into growing this orchard to destroy is could have gone to better projects. The fact that so much of an investment is being wasted is, to me, a misallocation of resources that were unjustly allotted to this failed venture. A more just outcome would have been these resources and efforts going to projects that actually yielded benefits to people.
I've noted this elsewhere but "injustice" was semantically baked into the OP so I retained that wording but my brain really stretched the term here to align better with "wasteful". I can certainly argue to their equivalence but I think if multiple people have gotten hung up on the term I've committed a semantic misstep.
Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
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> and call it great injustice. The great injustice is very much me paying however much per pound of peaches when the supply is so great that they should be much cheaper. However, if these are the trees that grow rock hard peaches that never soften as they ripen with no flavor, then bulldoze them all and say good riddance. Hell, might as well take of and nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
When I moved to the US from southern Europe I was so horrified by the lack of taste of any fruit I tried, particularly the peaches and plums. I moved back to Europe and not a small factor was the lack of good produce and food in general. Its just mind boggling how Americans dont revolt against this, stop buying shit produce and suppliers will notice.
> Its just mind boggling how Americans dont revolt against this, stop buying shit produce and suppliers will notice.m
There’s a large swath of America that has a deeply ingrained mentality of “food is for fuel, not enjoyment.” It’s a Protestant idea that entered the culture and became ingrained to the point where nobody remembers the origins but are still influenced by it.
I was in Iowa a few years ago, and the food is awful. I don’t think the food in Iowa used to be great “100 years ago before modern factory farming,” etc. I suspect it’s always been awful, and people just don’t care about it very much as long as they get the calories they need.
And I don’t think it’s just “U.S. consumerism blah blah” either. The Anglo food in Canada and the UK sucks too. They just don’t care.
Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
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Christopher Alexander figured this one out in A Pattern Language: https://www.patternlanguageindex.com/patterns/city-country-f...
Why didn’t we do this? Seems cool.
Big cities aren't typically in such an ideal planar geological setup as that. I'm having a hard time imagining how something like that would work in the Bay area, NYC, Seattle, Miami etc
Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
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Not what's happening here. They are not destroying the trees to limit supply and jack up prices, but rather because no one wants them. Nor are we destroying food while people go hungry; we produce more food than we eat by a considerable margin. What hunger remains in the world is a distribution problem, not a supply problem.
You have no idea what's happening in the USA do you lol. I can't speak to the fruit business, but let me assure you: people are starving, the cost of living crisis is a political weapon, SNAP is unfunded, and this nutrition is, as in Grapes of Wrath times, succumbing to the market, not to the lack of need. People are hungry, there's just no $$$ in feeding them. Shame.
No one in the US is starving outside of illness or drug abuse.
75% of the population is overweight, and the rate is even higher among poor people. We've had to invent new words like "food insecure" because actual starvation is a solved problem.
Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
#219Fruit isn’t very efficient.
Re: California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy
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My fault? I'm blaming The Presidents of the United States of America.
Millions of peaches, peaches for m̶e̶ no-one -> https://youtu.be/3GCrzjVdmSg
I see your hand and raise you.
Weird Al's straight cover. Al should just do an album like that, would be kinda neat.