Live data from Hacker News

Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

thatprivacyguy.com

631–640 of 1001 posts

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#631

The question I have is whether there is a means of disabling that download or preventing that functionality.

You could probably truncate the weights to be much smaller and it would just cause a runtime error. Or replace it with mostly zeros. Unlikely that they checksum the file. But ultimately it is a losing battle -- in browser LLM is coming, and future APIs will expose it to js, and it will become essential.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#632
post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

That's really a bullshit argument. First off, there are plenty of technical solutions that allow minors (15-17 years old) to bypass the restrictions: using sites that don't follow the law, using Tor, etc. But furthermore, these measures to restrict access to porn are counterproductive for sex workers, because it makes their situation more precarious, and they only exist to weaponize the "think of the children" narrat…

Well, it's coming and childless neckbeards or sex workers can't stop it. Restrictions on social media and porn for children is one of the few things that crosses the political divide.

You can bypass them to make your jerk-off extra satisfying if you like, i don't care. As long as the bar is high enough that kids in general are protected and a precedent is set in society.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#633

Framing this as needing "consent" is deeply misguided. It's as silly as claiming that Microsoft Word installed an English language spellcheck dictionary without your consent. It's just part of the software. You consented to installing the software and having it autoupdate. That covers it. Now we can argue whether or not it's an appropriate amount of disk space or bandwidth to use, but that's just a reasonable practic…

Couldn't the same argument be made for Chrome suddenly including a bitcoin miner? Seems like that would be a difference in degree rather than in kind.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#634

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing that this is anti-AI activism

We don't have AI. We have language models trained by rapacious companies on copyrighted material with no concern for copyright violations and with a penchant for intentionally anthropomorhizing their models. I'm an anti corporate malfeasance activist. Hacker News and it's underemployed and underpaid user base gets these two confused all the time. I assure you, your tolerance for language models, or your willingness t…

It's not a copyright violation if courts have ruled it's not

I have no pay scale to worry about, I own the software I build and don't rely on wages

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#635

Framing this as needing "consent" is deeply misguided. It's as silly as claiming that Microsoft Word installed an English language spellcheck dictionary without your consent. It's just part of the software. You consented to installing the software and having it autoupdate. That covers it. Now we can argue whether or not it's an appropriate amount of disk space or bandwidth to use, but that's just a reasonable practic…

Even Microsoft doesn't install a spellcheck dictionary unprompted; that happens when a user/admin goes into the app configuration and changes the language support options.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#636
post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s actually really useful for web devs to have access to a local model. Whether or not browsers should bundle their own rather than using the system-provided model(s) is up for debate, however. For the time being, though, Google does have some of the better small ones. Furthermore, users aren’t going to want to have to wait for an extra thing to download before their web apps can use AI. That’s the thing… Without c…

You haven't even tried to provide a hypothetical example of what a web app should try to do using a local LLM, nor addressed the obvious questions about how that kind of thing should be standardized, what level of local LLM capability is reasonable for a web app to expect, or how permissions for that should be managed given that a local LLM is not just a tax on local storage capacity. So why should anyone take it as…

There is a link elsewhere in this comment tree addressing all of that:

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/prompt-api

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#637

...so what? If Chrome had installed 4GB for some other tooling that most people don't need, would anyone care? My operating system installs with a million default packages that I don't need. Users install applications with optional features all the time. Applications install additional tooling so that they'll function all the time. To the other point: of course Claude Desktop modifies the browser--that's how it works…

> If Chrome had installed 4GB for some other tooling that most people don't need, would anyone care? Of course I would. It’s already the largest application on my computer, and I only keep it around for when a site doesn’t render right in Firefox. This kind of size increase clearly pushes it over the line for me and it’s getting uninstalled. Have you seen SSD prices recently?

I was overly-dismissive of the 4GB part.

The author's main points were all the other alarmist nonsense, though.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#638
post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A spellchecker is a standard function of a text program. Since when is an AI part of the browser? On top it’s another abuse of their market domination. What if users prefer other models?

By that reasoning, any novel/cutting-edge addition to a browser or other software is wrong? Every standard was new at some point.

> By that reasoning, any novel/cutting-edge addition to a browser or other software is wrong?

This is IME the default position on HN. Seemingly a complete showcase of the appropriate scope of web technology can be found at http://info.cern.ch.

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#639

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First the tabs came for the RAM and i did not protest, for i had plenty. Then they came for the chip and i did not protest, for it was dark silcon anyway. Then they came for the HDD.

I am curious if it reuses the LLM across all tabs, hard to imagine most machines can boot up 1-2 of any 4gb model unless its a more powerful system.

I think it obviously will, what would be the benefit to spinning up more than one copy?

Re: Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent

#640
post #585

Framing this as needing "consent" is deeply misguided. It's as silly as claiming that Microsoft Word installed an English language spellcheck dictionary without your consent. It's just part of the software. You consented to installing the software and having it autoupdate. That covers it. Now we can argue whether or not it's an appropriate amount of disk space or bandwidth to use, but that's just a reasonable practic…

It's additional software that many users didn't ask for, don't want and will not be aware of. Reminds me a bit of back when installing software was a minefield due to all of the integrated "promotions" for things like toolbars, only now they've vertically integrated the unwanted software, cutting out the middleman. Honestly, for most features you could justifiably say its fine. I mean honestly, how large is an Englis…

> That is a far cry from 4 GiB

Equating a 4GB file installed without explicit consent to the installation of a language dictionary is comical. That's like saying an unwanted political mailer left in your mailbox is the equivalent of a pallette of hammers left in your driveway.

Post reply on HN