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I'm scared about biological computing

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Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by myrmidon »

lukasb wrote: post #3

Anyone who believes AI running on silicon could in principle be conscious has to believe that biological computers are conscious, right? Why aren't those people voicing more concerns?

This does not follow. Just because biological brains can be conscious does not mean that all of them are, the same way that not every computer is running windows XP.

Why would you expect more concern from people about biological computing? It's not even demonstrated feasibility yet, while LLM based "AI" is already widely used.

Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by rolph »

for now, this is a hyper simplistic and hacky POC.

you may find a look at how a full visual system is constructed to be a relief.

https://www.cell.com/fulltext/S0896-6273(07)00774-X

there is a good distance to go before this is anything beyond a reflex circuit.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/spinal-ref...

Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by throw310822 »

behrlich wrote: post #16
kuboble wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ai running on silicon can be conscious - does it imply that the same calculation done by a human with pen and paper is also conscious?

I think so! You independently stumbled upon the "China brain" thought experiment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_brain - is "the nation of china simulating a brain" conscious?

From this and Searle's "Chinese room" at least we know for sure that any conscious entity of this type must speak Chinese.

Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by eddd-ddde »

lukasb wrote: post #3

Anyone who believes AI running on silicon could in principle be conscious has to believe that biological computers are conscious, right? Why aren't those people voicing more concerns?

Not really. Are jelly fishes conscious? Are carrots conscious? Those are biological and serve complex functions.

Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by throw310822 »

lukasb wrote: post #3

Anyone who believes AI running on silicon could in principle be conscious has to believe that biological computers are conscious, right? Why aren't those people voicing more concerns?

Anyone who believes that humans are conscious has to believe that mosquitoes are conscious too, right?

Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by debo_ »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #11

"Where do we draw the line?" There will be no line as long as there is the rush to win the capitalist game. UNTIL -> The ball of neurons begins outthinking the humans. Probably also fused with some AI augmentation. It only takes a few percentage points for a Human to outthink a Chimp. This new 'thing' will dominate the humans.

Username checks out.

Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by kuberwastaken »

Terr_ wrote: post #27
kuberwastaken wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really do suck at DOOM - and I did read the paper about BNNs, so I anticipated how it works, doesn't make it any less interesting [0] Playing DOOM is playing DOOM - if it's through your keyboard or mouse of progressing through the game states to move forward - hope that makes sense. 0 - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.11632

Suppose someone builds a framework that maps Doom to a large succession of Tic-Tac-Toe games. Would the person tasked with placing X and O marks still be "playing Doom"?

you don't have to imagine too far - I made DOOM run through a series of pre-rendered images in markdown files as a stateless engine before [0] and the answer to your question is highly upto interpretation

You move, you plan, your actions have outcomes Same question as if you're playing choose-your-own-adventure game storybook

0 - https://github.com/Kuberwastaken/backdooms

Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by philips »

Centigonal wrote: post #22
philips wrote: post #2

I think this is the same ethical questions of veganism and our use/abuse of biological systems. This is an excerpt from "The Pig that Wants to be Eaten" by Julian Baggini > After forty years of vegetarianism, Max Berger was about to sit down to a feast of pork sausages, crispy bacon and pan-fried chicken breast. Max had always missed the taste of meat, but his principles were stronger than his culinary cravings. But…

is this from Baggini or Adams?

Baggini is the source of the quote he just references the concept was from Adams at the end. I copy/pasted this from the book.

Re: I'm scared about biological computing

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Post by philips »

dasyatidprime wrote: post #24
philips wrote: post #2

I think this is the same ethical questions of veganism and our use/abuse of biological systems. This is an excerpt from "The Pig that Wants to be Eaten" by Julian Baggini > After forty years of vegetarianism, Max Berger was about to sit down to a feast of pork sausages, crispy bacon and pan-fried chicken breast. Max had always missed the taste of meat, but his principles were stronger than his culinary cravings. But…

What is the source line at the end representing there? I've read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe , and while it definitely contains (and I see it as a major cultural anchor for) animals bred to desire being eaten and be able to say so, it doesn't contain that particular scene (at least in the version I read). Is that line Baggini noting that his scene was inspired by the Adams book?

Baggini is the source of the quote he just references the concept was from Adams at the end. I copy/pasted this from the book.
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