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Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by Terr_ »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #62
i_think_so wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure this is the best idea I've ever heard of for this technology. You should build that tool and it should become mandatory throughout the tech world. Can we get some enabling legislation? A UN resolution perhaps?

Despite the snark I’ll engage. The “get an immediate agent answer then a human expert’s fast-follow” is I think a great idea for many domains - imagine if you could get legal advice this way; the agent will have already explained the basics and the human expert just has to provide corrections - way less typing by humans. Also, the corrections are now documented and could become future grounding for the agent.

I expect the time-limited expert will actually end up being tasked with more pain per request.

They won't just need to understand what problem the requestor has (or thinks they have) but also validate that the "immediate" feedback wasn't subtly horribly wrong.

Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by CoffeeOnWrite »

hnthrow0287345 wrote: post #104
thfuran wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but I’m not going to selflessly share my productivity gains with the broader company for free. If your employer is expecting that you selflessly share your time for free, you’re getting fucked. Most people are paid to do their job. They are, of course, then expected to work for their employers while on the clock.

I wouldn't share that with a manager even if they asked. If management were tech competent, they could proactively find inefficiencies themselves and allocate time to it instead of letting developers do all of the thinking for them. If they gave immediate raises or bonuses for stuff like this, then things would change.

Do y'all non-sharers not have equity in your companies?

Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by highfrequency »

thisisit wrote: post #110
pards wrote: post #7

In my large enterprise world, AI adoption hasn't made it outside of the development teams - only developers have access to Github Copilot. Code takes 6-12 months to make it from commit to production. Development speed was never the bottleneck; it's all the other processes that take time: infra provisioning, testing, sign-offs, change management, deployment scheduling etc. AI makes these post-development bottlenecks w…

My larger enterprise world today AI adoption seems to have taken a turn for the worse. Finance folks reached out asking if they could vibe code their own app using Copilot/Cursor/Claude for finance planning purpose. And because they know my management freezes whenever there are whispers of "our CFO said so" they even paraded that reasoning - "our CFO "tested" Lovable and he is convinced and asking us to vibe code the…

What’s wrong with the finance team (vibe) coding a janky prototype for planning?

Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by JohnMakin »

highfrequency wrote: post #114
thisisit wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My larger enterprise world today AI adoption seems to have taken a turn for the worse. Finance folks reached out asking if they could vibe code their own app using Copilot/Cursor/Claude for finance planning purpose. And because they know my management freezes whenever there are whispers of "our CFO said so" they even paraded that reasoning - "our CFO "tested" Lovable and he is convinced and asking us to vibe code the…

What’s wrong with the finance team (vibe) coding a janky prototype for planning?

prototypes/mvp's often become the production version

Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by daheza »

thfuran wrote: post #44
SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #37

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> Development speed was never the bottleneck; it's all the other processes that take time: infra provisioning, testing, sign-offs, change management, deployment scheduling etc. So much of Management (both mid and executive) still considers Software as if it were an assembly line; "We make software just like how Ford makes cars". Code as a product. Which isn't to say that most software development isn't woefully ineff…

>Sooner or later investors will see the "$2M spend" and demand "$4M net profit", and that's not going to materialize. I think this is probably going to happen at the same time that the providers start really jacking up token prices to extract all the value they can.

I'm a manager and the VPs are starting to ask - how many story points are we getting with AI now. Now we do story points = number of days to implement. (I know this is not real agile but just assume you are in the same position)

I can't answer that question but plenty of other managers are fully ready to just give bogus numbers.

For my team, use of AI has indeed lowered the story point cost. The coding part of the story takes less work so we have started to lower the story point cost for stories that would previously cost more. Think of a 5SP to 3SP reduction.

We have increased the number of features being delivered but our number of story points delivered has remained static.

Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by [deleted] »

alaudet wrote: post #33

As a 3 year retired Systems Analyst I feel bad for my younger colleagues. In 2023 I was one of the first in my team to use AI to untangle some legacy code that did something mission critical with Perl and whose original author had long ago left and apparently didn't understand anything about actually commenting code or documentation. We were all in awe of this new technology that got us out of a bind. But more and mo…

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Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

highfrequency wrote: post #114
thisisit wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My larger enterprise world today AI adoption seems to have taken a turn for the worse. Finance folks reached out asking if they could vibe code their own app using Copilot/Cursor/Claude for finance planning purpose. And because they know my management freezes whenever there are whispers of "our CFO said so" they even paraded that reasoning - "our CFO "tested" Lovable and he is convinced and asking us to vibe code the…

What’s wrong with the finance team (vibe) coding a janky prototype for planning?

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Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by ge96 »

pards wrote: post #7

In my large enterprise world, AI adoption hasn't made it outside of the development teams - only developers have access to Github Copilot. Code takes 6-12 months to make it from commit to production. Development speed was never the bottleneck; it's all the other processes that take time: infra provisioning, testing, sign-offs, change management, deployment scheduling etc. AI makes these post-development bottlenecks w…

> Code takes 6-12 months to make it from commit to production.

That seems wild, niche/highly specialized field?

Re: When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

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Post by kjkjadksj »

thisisit wrote: post #110
pards wrote: post #7

In my large enterprise world, AI adoption hasn't made it outside of the development teams - only developers have access to Github Copilot. Code takes 6-12 months to make it from commit to production. Development speed was never the bottleneck; it's all the other processes that take time: infra provisioning, testing, sign-offs, change management, deployment scheduling etc. AI makes these post-development bottlenecks w…

My larger enterprise world today AI adoption seems to have taken a turn for the worse. Finance folks reached out asking if they could vibe code their own app using Copilot/Cursor/Claude for finance planning purpose. And because they know my management freezes whenever there are whispers of "our CFO said so" they even paraded that reasoning - "our CFO "tested" Lovable and he is convinced and asking us to vibe code the…

Run for the hills. These sorts of businesses can get by with an old dos app running in an emulator to manage sales and inventory. They don’t care about maintainability or anything we care about. If it works it works and they will squeeze it to work as long as they possibly can. Which could very well be three decades or more.
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