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Does Employment Slow Cognitive Decline? Evidence from Labor Market Shocks

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Post by nobodyandproud »

wiseowise wrote: post #270
jandrewrogers wrote: post #161

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> they would be making projects, business ventures, or volunteering This is not what actually happens in practice. There is no sudden outbreak of productive activity because people have more free time. If this was going to occur there would be mountains of empirical evidence for it by now because this situation isn't rare. I know many people with a lot of free time. In the vast majority of cases, people spend their f…

> I know many people with a lot of free time. In the vast majority of cases, people spend their free time in almost exactly the same way they spent their free time when they had less of it. Binging on social media, television, or games? Now they just do more of it for longer. The people that volunteer more were already doing it, and they are in the small minority. You lock people for decades in the madhouse which lea…

So many pointed jabs.

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Post by port11 »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #161
devilsdata wrote: post #158

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The reason people go from work to nothing on retirement is because work fills up the nearly all of the productive hours of a person's life. If it were to take, let's say 4 days, or six hours a day, people would be so bored, they would be making projects, business ventures, or volunteering. And then on retirement, people would still have their hobbies and passion projects they had been working on their entire life. Th…

> they would be making projects, business ventures, or volunteering This is not what actually happens in practice. There is no sudden outbreak of productive activity because people have more free time. If this was going to occur there would be mountains of empirical evidence for it by now because this situation isn't rare. I know many people with a lot of free time. In the vast majority of cases, people spend their f…

Anecdotal evidence, but once I stopped working I spent _much_ more time doing things I wouldn’t do before, such as running and cooking new recipes for me and my partner. I also went out more to play board games.

The issue of work isn’t the time it consumes, but _the energy_. Scrolling social media costs virtually no energy, hence it being a way to spend time after work when you’re already tired.

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Post by fendy3002 »

henrikschroder wrote: post #246
fendy3002 wrote: post #235

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Yep, the statement is so bad with a pattern of "because most won't, then all won't", which commonly used during birth rate issues too. It's either ignorant or malicious with hidden agenda behind. Giving employees 1 week of free time? That's nothing, and nothing will change too as a result. Give them a whole month of free time? I bet they will make some small, short term projects, even doing hobbies like gaming, fishi…

> Giving employees 1 week of free time? That's nothing, and nothing will change too as a result. Give them a whole month of free time? I bet they will make some small, short term projects, even doing hobbies like gaming, fishing, cooking or golfing where it wasn't available before. *confused in European, again* Hey, if only there was an entire continent of hundreds of millions of people who typically have 5 weeks of…

yes, the exact point I've mentioned, feels like an organized effort to reduce the importance of free time. "Look at those European with astonishing 5 weeks of paid vacation and they aren't productive at all!" argument without getting the point:

* no source to back them up, and equalize everyone without considering some will be productive

* equating all non-money making or enterpreneur activities as non-productive and equal to doomscrolling

* ignoring other limitations like living space size, funds availability, opportunity, license or regulation

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Post by chownie »

WJW wrote: post #294
chownie wrote: post #276

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You have confused 5 weeks (across a year) for 5 weeks (contiguous), this isn't speciality european confusion it's the regular garden variety.

There's tons of people over here taking 3 or 4 weeks contiguous, especially if they have children. That is in addition to other vacations around christmas etc. It's definitely not 5 separate weeks. I don't think there's a lot of things that one could do in 5 weeks, but where 4 weeks would be too short.

Tons? Hyperbole? Are they teachers or something? That amount of leave in one go is basically unheard of, with the exception of maternity leave I don't know anyone who's been on leave for more than 3 weeks as a single block.

This is also taking from that same 5 week leave bucket people have available per annum, if they're taking 4 weeks then they have 5 days to last the remainder of the year. Not that crazy, but I have literally never even met a single person who does this let alone knowing tons.

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Post by WalterBright »

throwthrowuknow wrote: post #299
bregma wrote: post #284

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> Did I just described rich kids? You just described Lord Of The Flies. Be mindful of fundamental human nature and how it shapes everything we do, including all our social constructs. Few people are, which make mindlessness the dominant modus operandi.

Lord of the Flies was a fictional novel, it never happened, it’s not real and shouldn’t be used to inform your thinking. Especially when real life instances of groups of young children being stranded without adult help exist and play out in ways directly opposite of the novel’s central thesis.

You can make any society work if you're writing fiction.

For example, Star Trek is Roddenberry's idea of a utopia. A benevolent dictator with his happy ship of comrades all rowing together. (But hey, I enjoyed watching it!)

STTNG amps that up even further. It got so heavy-handed with it I lost interest in it.

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Post by criddell »

selimthegrim wrote: post #85
the_gastropod wrote: post #74

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As far as I’m aware, every US city where it’s at all common (let’s say 10%+ of households) to live without a car, it’s extremely expensive to live. Are there gems that I’m unaware of?

New Orleans

Probably not a great place to move to right now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48015218

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Post by setsewerd »

999900000999 wrote: post #83

Allegedly my great grandfather was building a deck at the age of 90. This might also be survivorship bias. I’d like to say people need purpose and challenges. This is probably why rates of depression tend to be much lower in “poor” countries where people have to depend on each other more. In the west everything is an abstraction. If you would imagine a baker in a small town, if she doesn’t feel like baking that day,…

To your point about automation, I'm increasingly wondering whether the "post-labor economy" would be anywhere near as idealistic as it's typically presented. If people aren't working, they're presumably not paying taxes, and without taxes, there's much less incentive for a government to make choices in the people's best interest.

Or put another way, perhaps there's no representation without taxation.

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Post by WalterBright »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #300
Aurornis wrote: post #181

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> I think the effect came up in long-term UBI trial participants, The failure of UBI trials to show these effects has been one of the noteworthy developments in the UBI topic in recent years. There were several studies that tried really hard to demonstrate that UBI would increase the rate of business creation and similar metrics. The last one I remember reading was trying to show that the long-term cash recipients re…

Starting a business can be horrifically expensive, complicated, and risky. You have to spend a good few months researching all the things you need to do before you actually do it. And most people don't even know what questions to ask. Some people will grow up in households where their parents understand basic law, finance, and business bureaucracy. They may already be part of a network with similar individuals in the…

> Starting a business can be horrifically expensive, complicated, and risky.

Or just go door to door offering maid service or yard service or cleanup service or handyman service or tutoring service or ...

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Post by WalterBright »

globalnode wrote: post #198
jandrewrogers wrote: post #161

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> they would be making projects, business ventures, or volunteering This is not what actually happens in practice. There is no sudden outbreak of productive activity because people have more free time. If this was going to occur there would be mountains of empirical evidence for it by now because this situation isn't rare. I know many people with a lot of free time. In the vast majority of cases, people spend their f…

i think people trying to argue that we would be more productive is a symptom of the productivity disease. where all we value is productivity and thats the only way we can justify more non-work time. i personally just think we should all have more time to do what we want, whether that is being productive on personal projects, talking to people, playing games, or doing nothing. happier people right? why should 10% of t…

> its all about class struggle

That's the foundation of Marxist theory.

In America, however, anyone can become wealthy.

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